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you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why

What would be your expectations?

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?

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CountVolcula said:
you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why

What would be your expectations?

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?

Should be a good thread that both sides can participate in
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It's Year 4 and counting. Raises can happen whenever Butch wants. However at this point in his tenure, extensions only happen for SEC/Playoff Titles. Since the SEC champ will always get in playoff with 2 losses or less, that makes us 1/4 teams to get a natty. Extensions only happen in the scenario.
 
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I would give Butch one more year and basically say clinch the East or I'll find someone who can. Even though we have a chance to improve our W/L from last year, what's the point if we can't win our division?


Edit: No raises or extensions until he can prove he belongs in this conference.
 
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If Butch were to leave this year which I certainly do not expect - there are some pretty solid hot seat coaches possibly available - Mark Dantonio, Brian Kelly and Charlie Strong come to mind. Butch has done the heavy lifting and rebuilt the Vol brand and another coach needing a change of scenery might come into a good situation. The West Virginia coach might also be ready for an upgrade also. Another coach that could deserve another chance is former Miami coach Al Golden. Some teams may land pretty good coaches on the rebound but you never know on that.

Jones has done an outstanding job considering what he inherited. Any coach can have a periodic clunker season given the 85 man squad limit which is slightly ridiculous with the longer seasons, playoffs, etc.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?
I'd be hands on without being in the way
How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why play to potential or you don't get raises or extentions

What would be your expectations? Beat Florida beat Georgia punch Saban

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?


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Chad Morris
Bobby P
Art B


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Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?
Yes and my first move would be to hire CBJ a PR rep and tell him other than me this is your boss

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why
There would be no raise or extension until this team has reached Atlanta, Bowl games are not enough

What would be your expectations?
To reach Atlanta every 3rd year or so

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?
DJ Durkin
Les Miles (with a short leash)
Mike Gundy
Dino Barbers
 
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Chad Morris - 2-10, 5-6 and a head coach. I'm sure Volnation will welcome him in with open arms.

Bobby P - 4 years in SEC with no division titles (sound familiar?). Lost to an unranked team when favored heavily (sound familiar?) Not to mention the baggage

Art Briles - First 5 years at Baylor - 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, 10-3, 8-5, with no division championships until year 6. You would have fired him before then. Oh yeah and massive baggage (no chance of hire after our recent lawsuit)
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Chad Morris - 2-10, 5-6 and a head coach. I'm sure Volnation will welcome him in with open arms.

Bobby P - 4 years in SEC with no division titles (sound familiar?). Lost to an unranked team when favored heavily (sound familiar?) Not to mention the baggage

Art Briles - First 5 years at Baylor - 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, 10-3, 8-5, with no division championships until year 6. You would have fired him before then. Oh yeah and massive baggage (no chance of hire after our recent lawsuit)
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Chad Morris= Derek Dooley type hire

Art and Bobby wouldn't look good for national perception for reasons you mentioned above
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
Chad Morris - 2-10, 5-6 and a head coach. I'm sure Volnation will welcome him in with open arms.

Bobby P - 4 years in SEC with no division titles (sound familiar?). Lost to an unranked team when favored heavily (sound familiar?) Not to mention the baggage

Art Briles - First 5 years at Baylor - 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, 10-3, 8-5, with no division championships until year 6. You would have fired him before then. Oh yeah and massive baggage (no chance of hire after our recent lawsuit)
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Names that just came to me. Nothing even remotely serious.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why

What would be your expectations?

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?

Should be a good thread that both sides can participate in
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The problem is, There is no situation to handle. Jones is safe for at least 2 more years unless He decides to leave.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why

What would be your expectations?

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?

Should be a good thread that both sides can participate in
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The last question is the most important. Butch has more leverage than you think. Hopefully some are beginning to understand that reality
 
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Small raises. No extensions. These guys have been compensated every year since they showed up. At the end of it, they didn't meet their own stated goals of winning the East.

If I am new AD, Jones is in "prove it" mode for next season since the lifeline of the entire department and my job as AD is attached to football.

The baseline should be 8 wins. Anything less than that is grounds for termination barring extraordinary circumstances. From there, it'd be based on the body of work on how the season played out.

If it goes sour, then I would make Stoops, Patterson, Gundy, Dabo, and Shaw say no first then drop down a tier to the likes of Fedora, Doerren, Graham, Kingsbury, and MacIntyre.

Big 5 head coaching experience would be a must. UT has spent too long bargain shopping and is paying Jones almost double what everyone in that second tier is making.

There is no way in hell I would touch Briles or Petrino coming off settling a Title IX suit.
 
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I would fire Butch and offer Gruden. Give him whatever he needed to assemble a staff and control.
 
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Fire Butch immediately at my introductory presser. Immediately hire, in order; Pete Carrol HC, Nick Saban DC, Jim Harbaugh OC, Peyton Manning QB coach. I would then announce that I had retained Jimmy Sexton to represent me in acquiring a new position because the faithful of ALL of Voldom would call for my head when UT, after going 15-0 and winning the NC, failed to cover the 30 point spread in the NCG. NOTE: No blue font.
 
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CountVolcula said:
you handle the situation surrounding Butch Jones and the UT Football Program

Would you have a more hands on our hands off approach?
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Hands off. He gets two things. Standards for performance and as much support as I could possibly muster.

If he needed double the money for staff salaries, I'd do my best to give it to him.... but the standard.... is championships... and not just the SEC East.

How would you handle extensions and raises? What would you base them on and why
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Must produce a high quality product on the field. Play at a consistently high level. Win a fair share of games against the top programs. Seldom lose to low level programs.

IMHO, Jones should get neither a raise nor an extension. The only compensation changes I would be willing to consider is incentives.

What would be your expectations?
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As the East currently stands: 9+ wins every year, SEC East at least once every 3 years, SEC at least every 4 to 5 years.

Until a real playoff is established between the champions of the power 5 plus 3 at large (or something like it), I wouldn't withhold raises or extensions for not making it.

Who would be your top 4 coaches to replace Jones with if needed?
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Not sure. I would probably want someone who had demonstrated a strong ability to beat teams that have better talent. Fuente is one guy I really like.

But more importantly, the standard doesn't change. If you find the right guy on the next try then great. If you don't, keep looking. That's what Bama did. That's what UF does. USCw does it. Keeping a guy for a long tenure doesn't guarantee success... at all.

I would love to see Jones be humble enough to admit his mistakes and personal weaknesses and fix them. He does some things exactly how you'd want them done for long term success.
 
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BJWeeks said:
I would fire Butch and offer Gruden. Give him whatever he needed to assemble a staff and control.
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Good thing you don't have access to the wallet, or we'd be filing for bankruptcy. Realize how expensive that would be?
 
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I would definitely be a hands-off athletic director because I have never believed in micromanagement. If I'm the current ad and my coaches are in year 4 with Tennessee's expectations, I'm disappointed with the turnout of this year as far as not winning the division. therefore, I am not handing out an extension or a bump in pay.only way I'm having that conversation is if i can leverage a favorable buyout my way incase 2017 goes south. The decision to Upgrade Assistants would be left up entirely to the head coach because that is who he is going to live and die by. I don't want it coming back on me for making a head coach make that kind of change and I'm not one to be able to judge how someone works with other people. I obviously wouldn't make a change this year. To much competition. But the one guy I'm keeping my eye on is Norvell in Memphis. How does he finish this year and how well does he do next year? Just a gut feeling he is going to be a good one. Obviously would keep my eye on fleck as well.
 
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BJWeeks said:
I would fire Butch and offer Gruden. Give him whatever he needed to assemble a staff and control.
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What a bunch of idiots. Butch is NOT going anywhere. And the Gruden bunch might as well get it in their heads that he's not leaving a 9 mil cushy job to put up with this idiot fan base. Never was Never will.
 
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First I would double ticket prices for 2 years to get the payoff money needed and new coach salary! (No one should object because we all want to be the best right!?)


Hire chip Kelley when the 49'rs Fire him
 
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sjt18 said:
Hands off. He gets two things. Standards for performance and as much support as I could possibly muster.

If he needed double the money for staff salaries, I'd do my best to give it to him.... but the standard.... is championships... and not just the SEC East.

Must produce a high quality product on the field. Play at a consistently high level. Win a fair share of games against the top programs. Seldom lose to low level programs.

IMHO, Jones should get neither a raise nor an extension. The only compensation changes I would be willing to consider is incentives.

As the East currently stands: 9+ wins every year, SEC East at least once every 3 years, SEC at least every 4 to 5 years.

Until a real playoff is established between the champions of the power 5 plus 3 at large (or something like it), I wouldn't withhold raises or extensions for not making it.

Not sure. I would probably want someone who had demonstrated a strong ability to beat teams that have better talent. Fuente is one guy I really like.

But more importantly, the standard doesn't change. If you find the right guy on the next try then great. If you don't, keep looking. That's what Bama did. That's what UF does. USCw does it. Keeping a guy for a long tenure doesn't guarantee success... at all.

I would love to see Jones be humble enough to admit his mistakes and personal weaknesses and fix them. He does some things exactly how you'd want them done for long term success.
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Nice post. I agree with you. One thing we cannot afford to do is reward mediocrity with extensions and/or raises. A firm line should be drawn where Butch Jones understands the expectations of Tennessee football. He also should realize that simply bringing Tennessee back to a respectable state is NOT the goal. The goal is to legitimately compete with the likes of AL,FLA, LSU, etc., which includes beating those teams on a consistent basis. We, as a program, aren't there yet.

Time table? 5 years. If we dont go to ATL next season, CBJ should be strongly encouraged to step aside. Tennessee owes it to itself and the fans to maintain only the highest of standards.

Five Prospective Replacements:
1.) Justin Fuentes
2.) Mike Gundy (He'll come this time)
3.) Dan Mullen
4.) Larry Fedora
5.) Pat Narduzzi
 
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