If We Win SEC-E Do We Get Citrus?

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MaxamusXIII said:
No bowl is worth more than an SEC championship. No matter how bad the odds.

The sec championship is the bowl
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The point, though, was that a loss in the SEC Championship game most likely results in the bowls I mentioned above, not the Citrus.
 
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After another alabama beatdown, the sugar bowl is out of the picture---UT probably gets the citrus or outback bowl.
 
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TrueOrange said:
The point, though, was that a loss in the SEC Championship game most likely results in the bowls I mentioned above, not the Citrus.
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The point is a bowl is just some game that means very little and the SEC championship is the first goal every year. Wanting to pass on a shot at the first goal of every season so we get a better irrelevant scrimmage is ****ing insane IMO.
 
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This may have been posted . I didn't read every post.
The conference and bowl agreements state that the loser of the SECCG will be in one of these bowls.
Orange,Sugar, Cotton or Citrus or the playoffs. Now we know we are not in the playoffs and I highly doubt it's Orange or Sugar so expect Citrus or Cotton.
 
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Was Florida in the Citrus last year? Would they want them back again this year? Citrus would probably want UT, Auburn, or LSU.
 
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Idc if a loss in the SECC game knocked us down to the toilet bowl, I'd much rather win the East and have a punchers chance of winning the SEC than seeing UF go while we sit at home. Helps recruiting even when you back in and I'd love to go to Atlanta to watch em more than any bowl we would get a bid for. No matter how it turns out.
 
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Ooltewah Vol said:
This may have been posted . I didn't read every post.
The conference and bowl agreements state that the loser of the SECCG will be in one of these bowls.
Orange,Sugar, Cotton or Citrus or the playoffs. Now we know we are not in the playoffs and I highly doubt it's Orange or Sugar so expect Citrus or Cotton.
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Sorry, but no they don't. It sounds like you're misunderstanding something, either from how they previously worked before the CFP or the previous "SEC CG runner up could fall no further than the Peach/Outback/Cotton Bowl level" from the previous system.

And the Cotton Bowl is now a New Years 6 group bowl with the Orange, Sugar, etc.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Sorry, but no they don't. It sounds like you're misunderstanding something, either from how they previously worked before the CFP or the previous "SEC CG runner up could fall no further than the Peach/Outback/Cotton Bowl level" from the previous system.

And the Cotton Bowl is now a New Years 6 group bowl with the Orange, Sugar, etc.
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2016-2017 College Football Bowl Tie-Ins For Each Conference | College Football News

SEC

The SEC gets a team in the Sugar Bowl. It’s the SEC champion if it’s not in the College Football Playoff.

1. Allstate Sugar Bowl vs. Big 12
– The SEC is also eligible to send a team to the Orange after filling the Sugar slot.

2. Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl vs. Big Ten or ACC

– AdvoCare V100 Texas Bowl vs. Big 12
– AutoZone Liberty Bowl vs. Big 12
– Belk Bowl vs. ACC
– Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl vs. ACC or Big Ten
– Outback Bowl vs. Big Ten
– TaxSlayer Bowl vs. ACC or Big Ten

Second Tier

– Birmingham Bowl vs. American Athletic
– Camping World Independence Bowl vs. ACC

How about Citrus Bowl vs Penn State (get ta open a can of WGWTA on Franklin)

But I'm hoping for Sugar 1st or Orange 2nd.
 
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hopefully UT doesn't end up the dreadful belk bowl or birmingham bowl--that would be depressing.
 
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For as long as I can remember, I've been a Tennessee fan. And through all those years it seemed Tennessee and the Tennessee faithful were not afraid to play anyone anywhere. Didn't matter that we were probably going to get our rear handed to us, we'd still show up and play hard as nails with a crazy fan base screaming, yelling and supporting the team all the way. When did a significant portion of this fan base become whining babies afraid to play anyone for the fear of a loss? I work with a die hard Alabama fan and the first thing I said to him after the UT beat down was that I was hoping for a rematch in December. His response was very telling. He said " nope I'd rather not. We got you at a good time with the schedule and injuries and it will be a different story later in the year." And this was from a rival fan. Some of you guys can't see the forest for the trees. With our schedule and injuries this season, 9-3 and probably playing in the SECCG is a successful season! The trajectory of the program is going in the right direction. Don't be so impatient and negative just because you want everything yesterday. Things are good on Rocky Top and their getting better!
 
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VolnJC said:
Is that an automatic berth?


Southeastern Conference[edit]
2015:
#1 College Football Playoff. Automatic berth to one of the New Year's Six bowl games, the Sugar Bowl versus Big 12 #1 in years the Sugar Bowl is not a CFP Semifinal.
#2 The Citrus Bowl versus Big Ten.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The Outback Bowl versus Big Ten.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The TaxSlayer Bowl versus ACC or Big Ten.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The Music City Bowl versus ACC or Big Ten.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The Texas Bowl versus Big 12.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The Belk Bowl versus ACC.
#3/4/5/6/7/8 The Liberty Bowl versus Big 12.
#9 The Birmingham Bowl versus American.
#10 The Independence Bowl versus ACC.
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The UT has lost the SEC CG in the past and wound up in the Peach Bowl.
 
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Volview said:
The UT has lost the SEC CG in the past and wound up in the Peach Bowl.
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"#2" just means the bowl game gets the second selection of SEC teams (all this starts after the CFP playoff games and the New Year's 6 have made their selections), not that the SEC Championship Game loser goes to that specific bowl game.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
2016-2017 College Football Bowl Tie-Ins For Each Conference | College Football News

SEC

The SEC gets a team in the Sugar Bowl. It’s the SEC champion if it’s not in the College Football Playoff.

1. Allstate Sugar Bowl vs. Big 12
– The SEC is also eligible to send a team to the Orange after filling the Sugar slot.

2. Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl vs. Big Ten or ACC

– AdvoCare V100 Texas Bowl vs. Big 12
– AutoZone Liberty Bowl vs. Big 12
– Belk Bowl vs. ACC
– Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl vs. ACC or Big Ten
– Outback Bowl vs. Big Ten
– TaxSlayer Bowl vs. ACC or Big Ten

Second Tier

– Birmingham Bowl vs. American Athletic
– Camping World Independence Bowl vs. ACC

How about Citrus Bowl vs Penn State (get ta open a can of WGWTA on Franklin)

But I'm hoping for Sugar 1st or Orange 2nd.
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Right, I'm familiar with the bowl selection setup but he was saying that by contract, the SEC loser automatically had to go to the Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Citrus, which isn't right.


And while an SEC team can be eligible for the Orange Bowl, your summary is missing a bit of information:

For the secondary tie-ins: The Southeastern Conference and the Big Ten Conference are guaranteed three appearances each, and the University of Notre Dame can play in a maximum of two games, but is not guaranteed any appearances. The ACC team's opponent in a given year will be the highest-ranked available team from the SEC, B1G (this always excludes the SEC and Big Ten champions, teams that qualify for the College Football Playoff, and the contractual obligations with the Sugar and Rose Bowls) and Notre Dame.

Also, should this highest-ranked team create a rematch with the ACC team, the Orange Bowl has the option of passing over that team for the next-highest ranked team among the B1G, SEC, and Notre Dame, again subject to the above contractual constraints.

The College Football Playoff committee's rankings will be used to select the ACC's opponent.
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The Sugar bowl takes the SEC Champ or the next highest ranked SEC team.

An SEC team is eligible for the Orange Bowl, but only under the right situation (as mentioned above, after the CFP and Sugar Bowl have made their picks, when the next-available SEC team is ranked higher than the next-available Big 10 team).

The Cotton Bowl is two at-large selections based on the CFP rankings (and one of those selections, at least this year, has to be the highest-ranked mid-major school).

And while the Citrus gets first pick after all those bigger bowls are done, there's not a requirement that it has to take the SEC Championship game loser.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Right, I'm familiar with the bowl selection setup but he was saying that by contract, the SEC loser automatically had to go to the Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Citrus, which isn't right.


And while an SEC team can be eligible for the Orange Bowl, your summary is missing a bit of information:





The Sugar bowl takes the SEC Champ or the next highest ranked SEC team.

An SEC team is eligible for the Orange Bowl, but only under the right situation (as mentioned above, after the CFP and Sugar Bowl have made their picks, when the next-available SEC team is ranked higher than the next-available Big 10 team).

The Cotton Bowl is two at-large selections based on the CFP rankings (and one of those selections, at least this year, has to be the highest-ranked mid-major school).

And while the Citrus gets first pick after all those bigger bowls are done, there's not a requirement that it has to take the SEC Championship game loser.
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So the only definite from that is that Western Michigan is going to the Cotton Bowl? I don't see them losing this year.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Sorry, but no they don't. It sounds like you're misunderstanding something, either from how they previously worked before the CFP or the previous "SEC CG runner up could fall no further than the Peach/Outback/Cotton Bowl level" from the previous system.

And the Cotton Bowl is now a New Years 6 group bowl with the Orange, Sugar, etc.
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Not misunderstanding anything. I know what I share . I don't take the time to post something I am no sure of. You want to check the facts go ahead . What I shred is fact.
 
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VolnJC said:
So the only definite from that is that Western Michigan is going to the Cotton Bowl? I don't see them losing this year.
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At this point, yes, essentially (presuming they win out). The highest ranked mid-major/"Group of 5" team in the CFP rankings is guaranteed an at-large bid in a New Year's 6 bowl; this rotates around between the Fiesta, Peach, and Cotton yearly (in a way such that it never falls on a year when any of them host a CFP playoff). This year that falls on the Cotton Bowl, whose other selection will be an at-large team, determined by the final CFP rankings (last year the Peach Bowl had to and the Fiesta Bowl had to the year before that).

As for the other major bowls this year:


  • Obviously, the teams ranked in the top 4 spots go to the CFP semifinals bowls (this year, the Fiesta and Peach Bowls).

  • The Sugar Bowl (when not hosting a CFP semifinal) selects the SEC Champion and the Big 12 champion. If either the SEC Champion, Big 12 Champion, or both are in the CFP semifinals, then the bowl automatically selects the highest ranked (by CFP rankings) SEC and/or Big 12 teams not in the playoffs.

  • The Rose Bowl (when not hosting a CFP semifinal) selects the Big 10 Champion and the PAC-12 Champion. If either the Big 10 Champion, PAC-12 Champion, or both are in the CFP semifinals, then the bowl automatically selects the highest ranked (by CFP rankings) Big 10 and/or PAC-12 teams not in the playoffs.

  • The Orange Bowl (when not hosting a CFP semifinal) automatically selects the ACC Champion. If that team is in the CFP semifinals, then the Orange Bowl automatically takes the highest ranked (by CFP rankings) ACC team not in the playoffs.

    Afterwards, it selects the highest ranked (again, by the CFP rankings) of the SEC teams, Big 10 teams, and Notre Dame remaining after the CFP bowls, Sugar Bowls, and Rose Bowls make their selections. The Orange Bowl can pass over taking the highest ranked of those teams if it would create a rematch of a regular-season game with the selected ACC team (essentially, no UF-FSU, UGA-GT rematches). (Fun note: when the Orange Bowl does host a CFP semifinal, the Peach Bowl has to take either the ACC Champion or the highest ranked ACC non-playoff ACC team)




Also, one more note: if the Orange Bowl takes a Big Ten team rather than an SEC team, then - per its contracts - the Citrus Bowl switches and invites an ACC team instead of a Big 10 team.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
SECCG loser falls no farther than Citrus. Look it up
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Ooltewah Vol said:
Not misunderstanding anything. I know what I share . I don't take the time to post something I am no sure of. You want to check the facts go ahead . What I shred is fact.
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Ok, I did and only came across the Citrus bowl being required to take the SEC Championship Game loser in this thread (and a few others) in Volnation. Show it to me as to enlighten me then, please.

But to the latter post, again, the SEC Championship Game loser definitely does not have any sort of automatic tie-in to the Sugar, Orange, or Cotton Bowls.



I did find the following online, though:

Some conferences have special selection parameters written into their contracts with specific bowls — for example, the Citrus Bowl is contractually obligated to select the winningest Big Ten and SEC teams that do not make a CFP game (semifinal or New Year's Six Bowl), or a team within one win of the winningest in its conference. The MAC's bowl contracts require that both division champions, if eligible, receive bids to one of its five contracted bowls.
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the second-place finisher in the SEC (but not necessarily the loser of the SEC Championship Game) typically went to this bowl.
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The closest I found to anything about any sort of requirement was something from a Clemson sportswriter from 2014 or 2015 saying: "The Citrus Bowl is mandated to take the loser of the SEC Title Game once every six years,” which they’ve already done.





Note: This isn't to say that UT won't end up in the Citrus Bowl, by any means, either. It's just about the Bowl not having a requirement to take the Vols just due to losing to Alabama in Atlanta.
 
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