If we lose this week how you gonna feel if Jones is still here on Monday

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Before I came to this thread, I was thinking, why are you still going through the motions of checking VolNation? Then the answer came to me. I feel absolutely nothing right now. I've followed our Vols since I knew what Tennessee football was about at the age of 6, educated by my Dad and Granddad. That's exactly 60 years folks, and this is the first time I can say I actually feel nothing in regard to our program. I hope the actions of the UT AD in the next few weeks can revive me, but it'll be close.
 
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BTS said:
Ok this is it . We have NO proof that he is fired . We have no proof that anyone that matters cares about what the recruiting class ends up being. We have no proof that anyone that matters even cares if we win championships or not. Everything on this board is nothing but conjecture and this includes my post. All im saying is im not so sure that Jones isnt our coach next year because we have no answers to the above questions .
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Let me try an easier one.

Is it possible that Currie knows he's not bringing him back but does not want that to go public(from his office) until he has the next coach secured? And that he doesn't see the advantage of firing Jones mid season if he can't name a guy til late Nov?
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Before I came to this thread, I was thinking, why are you still going through the motions of checking VolNation? Then the answer came to me. I feel absolutely nothing right now. I've followed our Vols since I knew what Tennessee football was about at the age of 6, educated by my Dad and Granddad. That's exactly 60 years folks, and this is the first time I can say I actually feel nothing in regard to our program. I hope the actions of the UT AD in the next few weeks can revive me, but it'll be close.
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Thats where im at . I have been a Vol for 50 yrs and i would like to hear a public announcement at least that says Jones wont be retained at the end of the season or that we are committed to winning football. All the silence makes me think we are waiting until the end of the season to make that decision. To me that means there is still a chance Jones coaches HERE in 2018
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Before I came to this thread, I was thinking, why are you still going through the motions of checking VolNation? Then the answer came to me. I feel absolutely nothing right now. I've followed our Vols since I knew what Tennessee football was about at the age of 6, educated by my Dad and Granddad. That's exactly 60 years folks, and this is the first time I can say I actually feel nothing in regard to our program. I hope the actions of the UT AD in the next few weeks can revive me, but it'll be close.
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This is probably the closest to how I feel. Nothing. The anger has shifted and I have accepted that Tennessee is just never going to make a real effort to change the program. We are going to keep trying bargain bin coaches and people will keep coming out each time to watch them fail and the money will continue to flow. It’s time we all take a play out of Ole Miss’s book and just win the party, and give up on winning games. Here’s to the tailgate, boys!
 
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BeecherVol said:
Let me try an easier one.

Is it possible that Currie knows he's not bringing him back but does not want that to go public(from his office) until he has the next coach secured? And that he doesn't see the advantage of firing Jones mid season if he can't name a guy til late Nov?
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Ok that may be true but cant see many legit employed coaches being interested in a job that doesn't exist yet.
 
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BTS said:
Ok this is it . We have NO proof that he is fired . We have no proof that anyone that matters cares about what the recruiting class ends up being. We have no proof that anyone that matters even cares if we win championships or not. Everything on this board is nothing but conjecture and this includes my post. All im saying is im not so sure that Jones isnt our coach next year because we have no answers to the above questions .
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dude. he's gone. move on.
 
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BTS said:
Ok that may be true but cant see many legit employed coaches being interested in a job that doesn't exist yet.
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you do know how this game is played, right? you really think coaching searches stop and start on the day the incumbent is fired and the new guy announced, publicly?

it's just an obtuse way of thinking. too binary and black and white.

these things operate in a giant world of gray, and in our case, it requires a little deductive reasoning your part to arrive at the correct conclusion.

what you're doing is simply choosing to see something the way you want to see it. why you want to see it that way, i have no idea. but to each his own.

Butch will not be back next year. accept it. and move on to the waaaay more important issue.......
 
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BTS said:
Ok that may be true but cant see many legit employed coaches being interested in a job that doesn't exist yet.
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Its the way that world works. Its easy to deny when Currie is not directly talking to the coach and the coach is not directly talking to a "rep" from UT.

Currie doesn't want a drawn out public coaching search. I don't blame him. Jones is not his hire. The next guy is.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Let me try an easier one.

Is it possible that Currie knows he's not bringing him back but does not want that to go public(from his office) until he has the next coach secured? And that he doesn't see the advantage of firing Jones mid season if he can't name a guy til late Nov?
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That's fine - the way I'd normally think. But there's a lot of collateral damage - a great recruiting class being one of them. The season itself is shot; I see no reason to believe it is improved with Butch, with Butch announced as a lame duck, or without Butch at this point. Being coy is completely ineffective now - unless Currie is actually considering keeping Butch around and doesn't want to have the EPA on his back, too. Half a pot of good news is better than no good news.
 
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About the same as I feel now and have felt for awhile now. I’m resigned to the idea that there will be no announcement until after the season.
 
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BTS said:
Ok that may be true but cant see many legit employed coaches being interested in a job that doesn't exist yet.
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"Mr. Coach's Agent, I have a hypothetical for you? If a head football coach position happened to be available at an SEC school, and I'm not saying which one, but it rhymes with a very popular French Cognac, would your client be interested? Hypothetically speaking, of course."


It's not that hard.
 
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Well first of all we could be pursuing a coach that is not currently employed but to Talk to an employed coach we would have to ask the permission of the university that employees that coach. Cant imagine that has happened without a press leak of some kind. Now with that said please do not talk down to me i have read alot of your post and i doubt you are any kind of an insider or college football genius when comes to management of the football program and no neither am i . Everything on this board is nothing but speculation and or conjecture please come down off your high horse and just be one of the guys .
 
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AM64 said:
That's fine - the way I'd normally think. But there's a lot of collateral damage - a great recruiting class being one of them. The season itself is shot; I see no reason to believe it is improved with Butch, with Butch announced as a lame duck, or without Butch at this point. Being coy is completely ineffective now - unless Currie is actually considering keeping Butch around and doesn't want to have the EPA on his back, too. Half a pot of good news is better than no good news.
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Jones being fired yesterday or last month doesn't change that. Who's calling these committed kids after its public and keeping them committed til Thanksgiving which is probably around the time they know who the coach is?
 
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BTS said:
So if we go and get beat this weekend and they dont do anything with Jones no public announcement or anything. YOUR THOUGHTS please
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I don't expect them to do anything until after the season so I'm not going to get upset if we don't get an announcement. It will just be a pleasant surprise if we do.
 
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Everyone here DOES understand you just cant start calling up coaches that are presently under contract don't you. There are legal ramification if you do. You have to ask permission first.
 
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BTS said:
Well first of all we could be pursuing a coach that is not currently employed but to Talk to an employed coach we would have to ask the permission of the university that employees that coach. Cant imagine that has happened without a press leak of some kind. Now with that said please do not talk down to me i have read alot of your post and i doubt you are any kind of an insider or college football genius when comes to management of the football program and no neither am i . Everything on this board is nothing but speculation and or conjecture please come down off your high horse and just be one of the guys .
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You realize you don't have to "talk" to the coach, to "talk" to the coach. Right?
 
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I'll feel, again, that somebody has more money than good sense and that the AD is still a puppet on a string...other than that...I SAID IT'S GOOD TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL...:pepper:...:yahoo:...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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BTS said:
Well first of all we could be pursuing a coach that is not currently employed but to Talk to an employed coach we would have to ask the permission of the university that employees that coach. Cant imagine that has happened without a press leak of some kind. Now with that said please do not talk down to me i have read alot of your post and i doubt you are any kind of an insider or college football genius when comes to management of the football program and no neither am i . Everything on this board is nothing but speculation and or conjecture please come down off your high horse and just be one of the guys .
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There is no NCAA rule in place that requires permission from the university to speak with a sitting coach. It was once a professional courtesy to ask permission, but even that is has been often ignored in recent years.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
There is no NCAA rule in place that requires permission from the university to speak with a sitting coach. It was once a professional courtesy to ask permission, but even that is has been often ignored in recent years.
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Are you an attorney do you Know contract law? Who has ignored it ?
 
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AM64 said:
Unfortunately the cream of his recruiting class won't be. I'm not one for firing until the season is done, but you have to plan for the future. At least with lame ducks, you do know the time is at an end; indecisiveness or no plan for change or maybe just no plan at all isn't a good look; so you can't blame recruits for bailing on a program in the process of imploding.
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I dont think its indecisiveness at all. Noone really knows the effect any action taken will have on recruiting. I also dont think one recruiting class should influence the course of action. Currie is taking advice from Coach Fulmer. For whatever reason, they have decided its best to allow CBJ to finish the year. Most wont like it, but the fact is that really doesnt matter. If they make a good hire people wont care. They may not lile the hire at first but if the guy starts winning games, nobody will care then either.
 
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