If we lose 2 of these 3 games....

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1standgoal said:
A 4 and 8 record definitely has the program going in the wrong direction. How could patience out weigh realism? Offer the job to Hugh Freeze now before Florida does.
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Wow, get off Freeze's beanbags bro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he been there for 3 years now? And this is Butch's second?
 
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My reading comprehension? LOL!

Here is what you wrote:

Backwards K said:
Yeah, let's keep firing coaches and start over every 2 or 3 years. That's worked out so well for UT over the past several years.
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Now, lets do some 2nd grade reading comprehension:

"Let's keep firing coaches and start over every 2 or 3 years" - Now that means we, the University of Tennessee, have/has fired coaches in the past and started over after 2 or 3 years.
Now in my lifetime we have only ever fired a coach and started all over after 2 or 3 years only once. That person was Derek Dooley.
Is there someone else I am not aware that has been fired and forced us to start over after only 2 or 3 years?
"That's worked out so well for UT over the past several years."
Here we see that you are referring to the firing of a coach and starting over after 2 or 3 years as having happened in the last several years. This gives the reader further evidence that you are talking about a coach that was rather recently fired after only 2 or 3 years. The only coach in at least the last 40+ years or so fired after 2 or 3 years is Dooley.
Further, I read you as being somewhat sarcastic when you wrote that that such firing has worked out so well for us. In other words, you are saying such firings have not worked out well for us.
Thus - the firing of Derek Dooley and starting over after 2 or 3 years has not worked out well. Not a very far leap at all to suggest that your argument is that firing Dooley after only 2 or 3 years is why we are in the poor condition our program is in today.

Where did my reading comprehension go wrong?
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
So we are in this mess because we fired Dooley?

I am confused.
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This does seem to be a logical conclusion. If firing a coach that is not getting the job done, is the problem, then firing Dooley was the wrong thing to do. Some guys want it both ways.
Could replacing some of the Oline coaching staff be okay? I believe we need some real changes there, but I'm afraid some will say, "If Butch likes the O coaches, we should stick with them no matter what, remember it's a 4or 5 year building process".:thud::hi:
 
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Bubba, if you are too stupid to understand that firing a coaching staff with another top 10 recruiting class committed because they are trying to dig out of the mess of going through 3 coaching staffs in about 3 or 4 years. Then please go root for another team.

The last time UT fired a coach with a top 10 recruit class committed (Fulmer), they hired a couple of idiots who brought in 3 or 4 of the worst recruiting classes in UT history. Vols have still not recovered.

Go back and read all of the posts. I typed them slowly just for you.
 
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Kiffens recruiting class was ranked 8th. Dooleys classes were never out of the top 25. Good enough to win games in this league. Look at Miss St, Ole Miss, Vandy, Missouri and others. Anyway Butch can attribute his success to Brian Kelly. Its time for UT to make a big move after year 3 if Butch doesnt win 8 games next year. Change isnt bad you just have to find the right coach that can actually coach!
 
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Backwards K said:
Bubba, if you are too stupid to understand that firing a coaching staff with another top 10 recruiting class committed because they are trying to dig out of the mess of going through 3 coaching staffs in about 3 or 4 years. Then please go root for another team.

The last time UT fired a coach with a top 10 recruit class committed (Fulmer), they hired a couple of idiots who brought in 3 or 4 of the worst recruiting classes in UT history. Vols have still not recovered.

Go back and read all of the posts. I typed them slowly just for you.
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you are not even trying, are you?

I mean if you did not mean what you typed just admit it. Its no big deal, we all write/say things that come out wrong. But to continue to act as if you wrote something you really did not write is acting childish.
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
you are not even trying, are you?

I mean if you did not mean what you typed just admit it. Its no big deal, we all write/say things that come out wrong. But to continue to act as if you wrote something you really did not write is acting childish.
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I wonder how many Vols fans would take a head coaching gig at, let's say Colorado, next year only for the University of Tennessee to come calling in 2016 and actually turn it down. Your Internet friend here isn't grasping that we didn't fire Kiffin, we just lost out on him to the one job we knew we could lose him to. But I am curious if he thinks we should have kept Dooley.
 
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Backwards K said:
Yes. You are confused and that is obvious if you can't see the difference between this staff and Dooley. In fact, you are just plain ignorant if you are making that statment.

The Vols were stuck with Dooley because they fired a first ballot HOF coach one year after they played in the SEC Championship Game, then hired a punk who had never had a winning team and didn't respect any of the UT traditions. Factor that with running off many of the scholarship linemen and telling two future D1 All American QBs who were committed to UT that they weren't good enough to play here.

Then you had to hire a Dooley because no one else wanted the job.

Are you really this ignorant or just playing the role on a message board?
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Great post!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Lol everyone is looking past Missouri here and if they end up getting the W people will start making those 'Butch is running out of time' laughable threads.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Alabama will curb stomp us. Missouri, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt are winnable games. Missouri will still be a great challenge though but I think we can pull it off if our O-Line holds up.
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If the o-line holds up, huh? I think we all know the answer to that. The o-line will continue to play horrible but Worley hasn't to continue to eat it or throw the ball out of bounds. His turnovers are only compounding the problem and really hurting our defense.
 
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RockyTopIowa said:
If the o-line holds up, huh? I think we all know the answer to that. The o-line will continue to play horrible but Worley hasn't to continue to eat it or throw the ball out of bounds. His turnovers are only compounding the problem and really hurting our defense.
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lol, what do you expect... improvement over the course of the season?

I bet you're one of those guys that also expects a 6-6 year and a bowl game in Year 2!

Get on the bama bandwagon!

Other words!
 
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KKruzVFL said:
Kiffens recruiting class was ranked 8th. Dooleys classes were never out of the top 25. Good enough to win games in this league. Look at Miss St, Ole Miss, Vandy, Missouri and others. Anyway Butch can attribute his success to Brian Kelly. Its time for UT to make a big move after year 3 if Butch doesnt win 8 games next year. Change isnt bad you just have to find the right coach that can actually coach!
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When Fulmer was here I said , " Fire Clawson and bring in an offensive coordinator rather than hire a new head coach" Now I say bring in a new OC and OL coach and keep the head coach. This will be a much smoother transition than letting go of Butch because you loose the whole defensive staff also if Butch is fired. Butch Jones is a great head coach he just needs to get a few better coaches around him on that side of the ball.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Most people don't know that most of Mizz points came from special teams and interceptions for scores....
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That makes twice now that they've won road SEC games when Mauk and their offense was really bad. Murphy is terrific and is faster and quicker, by far, than anyone we have on our roster. They have a knack of finding ways to win. It's a really bad matchup for us...their front 7 vs our OL. My guess is they'll do it again, by a decent margin, in Knoxville.
 
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Backwards K said:
The last time UT fired a coach with a top 10 recruit class committed (Fulmer), they hired a couple of idiots who brought in 3 or 4 of the worst recruiting classes in UT history. Vols have still not recovered.
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A lot of Fulmer's highest rated prospects in those later classes turned out to be duds. I don't know if any team had more 5* flameouts in the history of cfb. In fairness a lot of those guys were people we all wanted and we probably would've raised heck if he had not signed them but he had to have about the worst evaluation process in the conference.
 
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hemivol said:
When Fulmer was here I said , " Fire Clawson and bring in an offensive coordinator rather than hire a new head coach" Now I say bring in a new OC and OL coach and keep the head coach. This will be a much smoother transition than letting go of Butch because you loose the whole defensive staff also if Butch is fired. Butch Jones is a great head coach he just needs to get a few better coaches around him on that side of the ball.
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got to let the head coach hire his assistants. He's the one who will answer for the performance of his staff.
 
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hemivol said:
When Fulmer was here I said , " Fire Clawson and bring in an offensive coordinator rather than hire a new head coach" Now I say bring in a new OC and OL coach and keep the head coach. This will be a much smoother transition than letting go of Butch because you loose the whole defensive staff also if Butch is fired. Butch Jones is a great head coach he just needs to get a few better coaches around him on that side of the ball.
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If the problem is the offensive scheme, people need to realize Bajak is running Jones' system.
 
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1standgoal said:
Hugh Freeze coaching UF, potentially, could build a greater dynasty than NIck Saban at Bama. Check out his coaching record.
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It is humorous that people cite Freeze's coaching record at Lambuth and Ark St as evidence of his ability, yet totally discount Jones' success at CMU and Cincy as being of no value.
 
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When would you consider it may be time for some kind of change in the Oline coaching staff? 4 years, 5 years? It's easy to say we need not make any changes, as we are in "a building process", but I believe it is fair to put some kind of time associated with the task, i.e. the building process will need XXX amount of time to start working. The, "don't worry be happy, we're in a building process" can only last for so long. For some, x amount of time is acceptable, and for others X+3 years it a reasonable amount of time. For the sake of the fans, clarity regarding the "building process" would be a big plus.
CBJ promised us a bowl THIS YEAR, and didn't have a problem doing that. After Saturday's game with Bama, I believe it is time for CBJ to step up and give us a time table, not a politico type BS time table (with a lot of could, maybe's, might's), a real up front time table. For example; next year 7 wins, two years 9 wins etc.
We have the best fans, best stadium, best fan support, best school, best traditions, therefore; we want UT Football brought back to UT Standards-no more wishie/washie BS.
 
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