If we had Chavis....

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VolFootballlover said:
True, Boot given Dooley said he didn't spend time with the defense last night 8 games in should tell you he thinks Sal is the man... Time for Big Change!
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No, I think shows that Dooley thinks Sal is his D coordinator. If Dooley sees that that players are performing the way they are coached, then Sal is the problem, but if the players are missing assignments that they seem to get in practice(as he has stated) then Sal and his D scheme is not the problem.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Anyone who cant see that is a fool.
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Were you a TN fan when Chavis was here? There is a reason he was so unpopular and that was due to the huge number of 3rd down plays given up by his defenses. That was a very frustrating time for Vol fans too.

I admit that our coaching is questionable, but to say that Chavis or anyone else could come in and turn this same group of players into a championship squad is illogical. If everyone took off their orange-colored glasses and looked at our defensive talent versus the talent on some of the other SEC teams, then you would see a huge difference. We have some very good players, but we do not have the overall skill, depth, speed, etc of the other top teams.
 
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It's such a genius idea that no one has ever considered it seriously. Chavis would be a horrible HC. Not to mention he does not recruit. And a retarded frog could look like a genius coaching defense at LSU. During his later years at UT with inferior talent he was a worthless DC. How quickly people forget.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
If we had Chavis, or a DC near his caliber...


we would be Number 1 in the east with a possible NC on the horizon... just sayin

Anyone who cant see that is a fool..

I submit that also our O would be doing even better then they are, not having the pressure of having to put together all these comebacks in order to even be in the game at the end.

If we can get gruden.. Do it!! He is way to big of a name to pass up if we can get him..

But if they are just going to hire another unproven commodity..

then re-work the defense and give Dooley another year..

JMO, flame if you want
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REALLY? So bc someone doesn't agree with your pipe-dream scenario then that makes them a fool??

IIRC, everyone was calling for Chavis's head, right along with Fulmer's when he was here. All you heard was how bad his Defense was and called him "3rd and Chavis". Now, bc he has some of the best defensive players in the country at LSU, people want him back (some even want him as our next HC :crazy:) and think this team would be National Title Contenders....

You sir, are the one that sounds like a fool. :hi:
 
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Anyone who starts threads with "if this, if that" and the proclaims as fact we'd be winning the East or just one loss or something, is a fool.

All that crap is loser talk. Doesn't matter what "IF", it matters what did happen.
 
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Yeah, just like if we had Justin Hunter last year we would have won 8 games.

The only thing unpredictable about Dooley is which excuse his fans will come up with next.
 
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VolFan_N_NC said:
REALLY? So bc someone doesn't agree with your pipe-dream scenario then that makes them a fool??

IIRC, everyone was calling for Chavis's head, right along with Fulmer's when he was here. All you heard was how bad his Defense was and called him "3rd and Chavis". Now, bc he has some of the best defensive players in the country at LSU, people want him back (some even want him as our next HC :crazy:) and think this team would be National Title Contenders....

You sir, are the one that sounds like a fool. :hi:
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A) there is nothing in the water at LSU that magically makes players NFL caliber. Players can have talent, they still have to be coached. Ask ANY of our TOP D players during our hayday and they will tell you Chavis is one of the best defensive coaches they ever played for...

B) The point was if we had a D that could even stop their car at a red light.. this season would be so different it's not even funny.

I would much rather be playing a prevent D(3rd and chavis) then making every QB and RB that plays against us look like the front runner for the Heisman.

C) Look at what LSU does with a horrible offense, they are in the NC and SEC talks every year.. Once again horrible offense, but they still win games. Why is that? Defense, you can try and justify it with saying players all you want it still falls to the coaches..

When you win its all because of the players you have.. but when you lose its all the coaches fault and they need to be fired...

Give me a freggin break, it can't be both ways
 
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Wylo said:
Chief should be at LSU. His failures on 3rd down led to him leaving with Fulmer.

Just because the guy we have now is terrible, doesn't make Chavis any better.

Stop dreaming.
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Chavis left with Fulmer because Kiffin was going to bring in Monte as part of getting the job. Not trying to start anything but facts are facts. It had nothing to do with anything else. He was considered one of the best DCs in the country and that's why LSU hired him ASAP when he became available.

What's funny about this thread is it proves what prisoners of the moment fans are and their inability to rationally think through situations involving their own teams. A lot of fans wanted to run Chavis out of town in the three seasons leading up to the 1998 NC season. "Why did Fulmer give the job to an unproven assistant?"
After 98 he was "the best DC in the country". Between 98 and Fulmer's demise he was all over the place. One year our fans loved him and thought his defense was carrying us, the next he can't get off the field on 3rd down. Now some have the nerve to say we wouldn't ever want him back? Gimme a break! Also, Sal needs more than one year to implement his defense just like Chavis did. We gave him a 3 year contract for a reason.
 
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Given where our program is right now the schedule is the worst one we could have and the '13 schedule doesn't look any easier. It would nice to a 70% cream puff schd like most schools do. :question:
 
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hillsborovol said:
We'd likely be sitting at 7 - 1.
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I think we would be 7-1 with Chavis, Wilcox, and frankly almost any decent DC that didn't try to change our base defense.

Unfortunately we don't have the defensive backs that Alabama and Florida have - so we can't flip a switch and suddenly run Alabama's defense effectively.

Conceptually probably a great idea to have an attacking defense and the d-line is looking better every week but when a tight end can run straight down the middle of the field un-covered time after time - something is amiss in Denmark.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
If we had Chavis, or a DC near his caliber...


we would be Number 1 in the east with a possible NC on the horizon... just sayin
Anyone who cant see that is a fool..

I submit that also our O would be doing even better then they are, not having the pressure of having to put together all these comebacks in order to even be in the game at the end.

If we can get gruden.. Do it!! He is way to big of a name to pass up if we can get him..

But if they are just going to hire another unproven commodity..

then re-work the defense and give Dooley another year..

JMO, flame if you want
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Oh damn! Way to go and throw any credibility that you might of had right out the window.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
If we had Chavis, or a DC near his caliber...


we would be Number 1 in the east with a possible NC on the horizon... just sayin

Anyone who cant see that is a fool..

I submit that also our O would be doing even better then they are, not having the pressure of having to put together all these comebacks in order to even be in the game at the end.

If we can get gruden.. Do it!! He is way to big of a name to pass up if we can get him..

But if they are just going to hire another unproven commodity..

then re-work the defense and give Dooley another year..

JMO, flame if you want
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Do you not remember the epic(or typical) failure of Chavis' D at UCLA( to name 1 of many) a few years ago?
IMO if Chavis was half as good as ppl remember why was he not offered a HC job at a mid major or better school?

IDK if Dooley or this staff is the answer but I'm not sure if getting rid of him (unless A big name hire is made) is the right answer either.

They have been in the games against Fl, Ga, and SC games this year, that is an improvement over last year as I see it.
 
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KingtUT said:
Oh damn! Way to go and throw any credibility that you might of had right out the window.
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lol credibility? I dont need no stinking credibility...


seriously.. internet.. anonymous.. NO ONE on these boards has credibility.

The fact remains if our defense could stop ANYONE.. this season would be much different. No one can predict for certain what our record would be.. but we would have had a chance at the east.

UF/UGA/USC/Miss St are four games I can almost guarantee would have been wins with just a 15-20% better defense then we have right now.

we stop just 2 big plays in each of those games and we win..

Like I said in OP.. flame away if it makes you feel better, but defense is our problem right now.. there is no denying that.

If anyone would have told me that after our ggrueling OCT schedule we would be averaging 160 on the ground and 300 in the Air.. but we would have 5 losses I would have laughed for a week non-stop.

Those are great offensive numbers considering we played 5 top 15 teams.. and the run game is almost double what we had last year.. NO ONE would have predicted that and still had this amount of losses..
 
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ImportedVoL said:
lol credibility? I dont need no stinking credibility...


seriously.. internet.. anonymous.. NO ONE on these boards has credibility.

The fact remains if our defense could stop ANYONE.. this season would be much different. No one can predict for certain what our record would be.. but we would have had a chance at the east.

UF/UGA/USC/Miss St are four games I can almost guarantee would have been wins with just a 15-20% better defense then we have right now.

we stop just 2 big plays in each of those games and we win..

Like I said in OP.. flame away if it makes you feel better, but defense is our problem right now.. there is no denying that.

If anyone would have told me that after our ggrueling OCT schedule we would be averaging 160 on the ground and 300 in the Air.. but we would have 5 losses I would have laughed for a week non-stop.

Those are great offensive numbers considering we played 5 top 15 teams.. and the run game is almost double what we had last year.. NO ONE would have predicted that and still had this amount of losses..
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Yea I guess credibilty was the wrong word.

I should have said sanity.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
....we'd be complaining about our DB's playing 15 yards off the recievers and "3rd and Chavis"...
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They doing that now. Our DBs couldn't cover a 50 year old man. Every team we play either their QB or a WR has a career day. Just the facts. DBs can't cover and we have no pass rush.
 
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#46
I have no idea why som are beating up John "The Chief" Chavis here as if he was some loser of a DC and couldn't handle the HC. And it kills me that some are bragging anyone could make LSU defense into what it is. I guess what John did here along with what he's doing at LSU now has no meaning and he's apparently a lucky guy being in the right place at the right time....Really

Just go back and look at some of UT's records starting in 2000 to when Fulmer was forced out and see where the Defense ranked.

2004 - 10-3
Defense allowed 295 points for a 22.7 avg. the most was 38 by Auburn #3 in the SECC game. We beat Fla, GA and Ala losing to Auburn twice


2005-2006 - 5-6
Defense allowed 204 points for a avg of 18.5 per game. We lost to Fla, GA, Ala, Notre dame, SC and VU. We beat LSU. Five of thos teams were in the Top 10.

2007 - 10-4
Lost to CA #12(45pts), Fla #3(59pts), Ala (41pts) and LSU #3in the SECC (21pts). Schedule was rated #6 Toughest in NCAA with 11 starters returning. Defense allowed 382 points including five OTs (4 with KY in which 50 pts scored) for a 27.2 pts avg.

2008 - 5-7
Fulmer's last year yet....5 games with 25+ points. The most was 30 by Fla. We lost to Fla, Auburn, GA, UCLA. The offense scored 177 points in 12 games = 15 pts avg. The Defense gae up 194 points. Seven games held to 15pts of less.

As it stands now thru (8) games we've given up 225 points for a 28 pts per game avg.
2011 Season - 285 points for a 22.5 avg per game - 12 games
2010 Season - 298 points for a 22.9 avg per game - 13 games

Aganist the "Big 3"....Georgia, Alabama and Fla in the last three years
Wins 0 - Loses 9
Points Scored - 150
Points Against - 335
 
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KCVolLaw said:
It's such a genius idea that no one has ever considered it seriously. Chavis would be a horrible HC. Not to mention he does not recruit. And a retarded frog could look like a genius coaching defense at LSU. During his later years at UT with inferior talent he was a worthless DC. How quickly people forget.
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Ok George, put the helmet back on and stop licking the windows.
 
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