If this can happen, no reason this can not happen

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sjt18 said:
You are asking me to disprove a negative. The burden is on those who claim that non-symptomatic people emit the virus in sufficient quantities to build a viral load that will make someone sick... by passing them in Walmart. The burden of proof is on those who say a study of flu patients with heavy mucus who are coughing and sneezing their heads off... translates directly to non-symptomatic Covid carrier.

It is airborne. There are 3 different ways it can be expelled attached to moisture and mucus. Keep in mind that studies seem to suggest that masks even under the best conditions are 30-80% effective. These are medical and N-95 masks (inhale only). So on average you MAY be reducing what you emit by 50%. Homemade masks... are far less effective on the particles that persist in the air.

One is heavy droplets that are the product of sneezing, coughing, and possibly yelling. These droplets fall to the ground pretty quickly... but you don't want to walk through a "cloud" produced by someone's cough. These droplets can be stopped by almost any mask... but they're only produced by symptomatic people.

Two is small droplets. Those stay airborne longer. They may be picked up and recycled by an HVAC system... or get caught in a filter where they may be able to multiply before being blown back into closed spaces. Masks may be somewhat effective on these. Still primarily a product of symptomatic people but may be exhaled... there seems to be an effort to look at this by researchers.

Three is aerosols. These are the smallest. They can both go around masks and through them. They linger in the air for long periods of time but are dispersed and diluted by air exchange. Some researchers do not think they're a major factor since they carry much less of the virus. Others seem to think they're a major factor.

I learned most of this while researching air filtration to protect the people in my plant. There is also a debate between medical folks and industrial hygienists about the definitions of various terms.

Either way... we are focusing on the WRONG thing. If masks are to be worn to protect "others" then it should be EXCLUSIVELY in environments where vulnerable people will be placed in closed spaces (like homes) for long periods of time with recycled air. I'm not big on "requiring" anyone to do things... but businesses should be required to install air filtration as a condition of reopening. The system I had installed to protect my guys removes 99.4% of Covid from the air in 30 minutes. It literally negates the possibility of "close contact" as defined by CDC in ALL of our indoor, closed spaces. It costs about $500 for 6 tons of HVAC.
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All im asking is for the studies??? I already know it spreads just like the flu...i was curious as to the 2 studies...simply because you as a poster are not uniformed.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
All im asking is for the studies??? I already know it spreads just like the flu...i was curious as to the 2 studies...simply because you as a poster are not uniformed.
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Maybe you missed the point. I am ASKING for those two studies from someone who supports mask mandates. Or maybe I misunderstand which studies you are talking about.

I can post the test case from the air filter we installed if you want that?
 
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PepperFleming said:
Also consider liability. At a rally, no one to sue.
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And this is indicative of just how sick our society is with blaming others rather than assuming responsibility for ourselves. We used to understand that the freedom to do what we wish is necessarily coupled to and dependent on being fully responsible for the outcomes.
 
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sjt18 said:
Maybe you missed the point. I am ASKING for those two studies from someone who supports mask mandates. Or maybe I misunderstand which studies you are talking about.

I can post the test case from the air filter we installed if you want that?
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Ahh heck. I misunderstood lol. My fault!!!!!
 
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SpookyAction said:
One is a public space, a football stadium is not.
As soon as you pay to enter, the stadium provider is responsible for your safety.
If the controlling authority of the stadium does not want to take responsibility for your safety, they can limit access.
You can deny it all you want, but truth.

Ask Herman Cain how this can end.
I believe it is equally stupid to go to either event under current reality.
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I can tell you how 99.9999999% of others end. Since i work in that field. Quit being a wussy millennium.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
During the supposed worst pandemic in 100 years, where stay at home orders and lockdowns prevailed across the world, there have also been the largest protests the country has ever seen.
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Yeah, this all about politics. The sheep will blindly follow.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Have there been very many false negatives?
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I honestly do not know. If you had your rathers though... I think you'd rather deal with false positives and especially if the subject is in a higher risk group.

The problem with testing as a screen with the current tests is that the results take time to return. The governor of Missouri recently touted a test developed here that uses mucus without having to scrape it off your brain. I do not know if the results are more accurate or faster.
 
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sjt18 said:
I honestly do not know. If you had your rathers though... I think you'd rather deal with false positives and especially if the subject is in a higher risk group.

The problem with testing as a screen with the current tests is that the results take time to return. The governor of Missouri recently touted a test developed here that uses mucus without having to scrape it off your brain. I do not know if the results are more accurate or faster.
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Radio talk show was saying they have a test that comes back in 15 minutes. I have know idea if that is true.

A false negative for a person could lead to them having a false sense of security and then go visit grandma and grandpa with bad results.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Radio talk show was saying they have a test that comes back in 15 minutes. I have know idea if that is true.

A false negative for a person could lead to them having a false sense of security and then go visit grandma and grandpa with bad results.
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I posted an article from a Harvard research professor a few weeks back and can post it again if you like. I believe I may have started a thread. They have a test similar to a home pregnancy test that costs about $3 each. Apparently the FDA has refused to provide them with a pathway for approval.

The process would be simple. You test yourself every other day. Because of the way the virus multiplies in your body, the test would detect a potential infection a couple of days BEFORE you became contagious. If you got a positive then you would isolate yourself until you could see a doctor for a lab based test. For less than $50 per American... we could eliminate the virus in 3 weeks according to the professor.
 
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508mikey said:
there is alot of the 11 million supposedly unemployed crowd in the US and by unemployed I would say, by choice
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We have a lady here who keeps posting all the cases everywhere. She works at Head Start and she wants it to shut down due to the 10 active cases we have in our county of 25,000 people.
 
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sjt18 said:
I posted an article from a Harvard research professor a few weeks back and can post it again if you like. I believe I may have started a thread. They have a test similar to a home pregnancy test that costs about $3 each. Apparently the FDA has refused to provide them with a pathway for approval.

The process would be simple. You test yourself every other day. Because of the way the virus multiplies in your body, the test would detect a potential infection a couple of days BEFORE you became contagious. If you got a positive then you would isolate yourself until you could see a doctor for a lab based test. For less than $50 per American... we could eliminate the virus in 3 weeks according to the professor.
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sjt18 said:
I posted an article from a Harvard research professor a few weeks back and can post it again if you like. I believe I may have started a thread. They have a test similar to a home pregnancy test that costs about $3 each. Apparently the FDA has refused to provide them with a pathway for approval.

The process would be simple. You test yourself every other day. Because of the way the virus multiplies in your body, the test would detect a potential infection a couple of days BEFORE you became contagious. If you got a positive then you would isolate yourself until you could see a doctor for a lab based test. For less than $50 per American... we could eliminate the virus in 3 weeks according to the professor.
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Maybe semantics here, but we're not ever going to eliminate the virus. It will be around as long as humans. We can eliminate the effects, susceptibility, symptoms, and spreading of the virus.
 
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McDad said:
Maybe semantics here, but we're not ever going to eliminate the virus. It will be around as long as humans. We can eliminate the effects, susceptibility, symptoms, and spreading of the virus.
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Viruses need carriers to survive. This one does not appear to survive indefinitely outside of a living body.

The caveat of course is the pockets of people where it is not eradicated. They can potentially reinfect the larger population. Immunity is the only true way of getting rid of it.
 
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McDad said:
Maybe semantics here, but we're not ever going to eliminate the virus. It will be around as long as humans. We can eliminate the effects, susceptibility, symptoms, and spreading of the virus.
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I promise I did not read this before I posted... Rapid tests can enable us to manage the disease much better than now by identifying infections before the person becomes contagious. This is a game changer... and a mystery as to why it isn't major news and already implemented.

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.
 
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