If they don't appeal this game, I'm done with this

#151
#151
There is nothing to appeal, get over it. Spiking the ball with too many men on the field is a 5yrd penalty. You start the clock when the ref sets the ball. They did, UNC snapped it and kicked the FG. Is it the appropriate rule? Probably not, the NFL rule is much more "fair" but this isnt the NFL, its college football. Nobody cost Tennessee that game but Tennessee. They beat themselves like a horny 12 year old boy. Get over it and move on to next year.
 
#152
#152
Mr. U said:
There is nothing to appeal, get over it.
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Here is a link to the rulebook: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/FR09.pdf

The rule in question is rule 11-1-1. It can be found at page 142 of the linked PDF file. It states as follows:

The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The NCAA rulebook specifically enumerates -- at page 19 of the linked PDF -- rule 11-1-1 as "an administrative rule that cannot be altered".

I don't know how this is anything other than the end of the analysis. Vols win 20-17. Everything that happened after the referee called the game was just a scrimmage. Because at that point -- per the NCAA -- the game was over. Under the rules, the offiicials had no authority to review the attempted spike.

I can't state that emphatically enough. Once the game was called, the officials -- and the rule does not distinguish between on-field officials and booth officials -- are no longer officials. You and your buddies could dress up like officials and run on the field after the ref calls the game....and you have just as much authority to review a play as the actual refs -- zero.

This is a huge elephant in the room. There is plenty to appeal.
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#153
#153
Mr. U said:
There is nothing to appeal, get over it. Spiking the ball with too many men on the field is a 5yrd penalty. You start the clock when the ref sets the ball. They did, UNC snapped it and kicked the FG. Is it the appropriate rule? Probably not, the NFL rule is much more "fair" but this isnt the NFL, its college football. Nobody cost Tennessee that game but Tennessee. They beat themselves like a horny 12 year old boy. Get over it and move on to next year.
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Hey what do you know, another opposing fan who thinks he knows best. We don't have enough of your kind here already.
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#154
#154
Mr. U said:
There is nothing to appeal, get over it. Spiking the ball with too many men on the field is a 5yrd penalty. You start the clock when the ref sets the ball. They did, UNC snapped it and kicked the FG. Is it the appropriate rule? Probably not, the NFL rule is much more "fair" but this isnt the NFL, its college football. Nobody cost Tennessee that game but Tennessee. They beat themselves like a horny 12 year old boy. Get over it and move on to next year.
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There were about 6 critical mistakes made by the officials in the last 30 seconds of the game, including the referee's inability to prevent a snap during substitutions (in accordance with the rulebook) and the adjustment of a game clock error in a period after the period was declared over.
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#155
#155
gorockytop101 said:
There were about 6 critical mistakes made by the officials in the last 30 seconds of the game, including the referee's inability to prevent a snap during substitutions (in accordance with the rulebook) and the adjustment of a game clock error in a period after the period was declared over.
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Sp they are going to bring everyone back to Nashville to replay the final sequence of the game?

It's over. Sorry, Cletus.
 
#156
#156
Mr. U said:
There is nothing to appeal, get over it. Spiking the ball with too many men on the field is a 5yrd penalty. You start the clock when the ref sets the ball. They did, UNC snapped it and kicked the FG. Is it the appropriate rule? Probably not, the NFL rule is much more "fair" but this isnt the NFL, its college football. Nobody cost Tennessee that game but Tennessee. They beat themselves like a horny 12 year old boy. Get over it and move on to next year.
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Hey Congrats on Miami's bowl win! Oh wait..
 
#157
#157
Sorry if that's hard to swallow. Jackson CLEARLY launched himself helmet first into dudes back, he would be fined for that in the NFL.
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Sorry saw1017 but Jackson's launch penalty was some bull it happened right in front of us and he led his right shoulder and the ball was moving around in the reciever's arms the entire time. Also, my other complaint about the game is the officials never called a holding penalty and added time back on the clock more than 3 times during the game. The officials acted like a bunch of Keystone Cops! One other thing to the fans that were there. Please don't throw bottles out of the crowd! It sucked we lost and I feel we got HOSED too! But don't act like bammers and barners! Please? We are better than that!
GBO! and bring on National Signing Day!;)
 
#158
#158
Don't assume the worst because I'm a Bama fan. I wasn't sure who I wanted to win during the game, but after the way UT lost, I definitely wish you had won. The news already says the refs were correct according to the rules, but there are some compelling arguments regarding the play. Rest assured the rule will change. Tough loss.
See you in October.
 
#159
#159
My official answer when asked about the MSB and other Vol fans should say the same thing---Yes, we won 20-17. The game was over and the ref even made that announcement which by rule means the game is officially over. Whatever happened after that is all trivial because everyone knows who the real winners of the game are.:rock:
 
#160
#160
Mr. U said:
There is nothing to appeal, get over it. Spiking the ball with too many men on the field is a 5yrd penalty. You start the clock when the ref sets the ball. They did, UNC snapped it and kicked the FG. Is it the appropriate rule? Probably not, the NFL rule is much more "fair" but this isnt the NFL, its college football. Nobody cost Tennessee that game but Tennessee. They beat themselves like a horny 12 year old boy. Get over it and move on to next year.
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how did you like the ass whipping ND put on the canes
 
#162
#162
Teams practice the 2 minute drill because it is critical that when you are out of timeouts and need points to win, you
get out of bounds to stop the clock or spike the ball to stop it. Many teams have lost games by clock mismanagement. Now they let NC get away with a spike
without a complete offensive formation, does that mean
all a team has to do when they are in trouble with the clock
is have a center snap the ball to a quarterback and the qb spikes it?:loco:
 
#163
#163
maxcf said:
Teams practice the 2 minute drill because it is critical that when you are out of timeouts and need points to win, you
get out of bounds to stop the clock or spike the ball to stop it. Many teams have lost games by clock mismanagement. Now they let NC get away with a spike
without a complete offensive formation, does that mean
all a team has to do when they are in trouble with the clock
is have a center snap the ball to a quarterback and the qb spikes it?:loco:
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welcome to VN
 
#165
#165
maxcf said:
Teams practice the 2 minute drill because it is critical that when you are out of timeouts and need points to win, you
get out of bounds to stop the clock or spike the ball to stop it. Many teams have lost games by clock mismanagement. Now they let NC get away with a spike
without a complete offensive formation, does that mean
all a team has to do when they are in trouble with the clock
is have a center snap the ball to a quarterback and the qb spikes it?:loco:
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Pretty much... let's say you throw a 40 yard pass down field with two receivers in the vicinity. One makes the catch. No matter the QB and lineman, just let the official spot the ball and have one receiver snap it to the other receiver and spike it. Saves your lineman having to run up to the LOS...only lose 5 yards in exchange for 4-5 seconds :crazy:
 
#168
#168
kidbourbon said:
Here is a link to the rulebook: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/FR09.pdf

The rule in question is rule 11-1-1. It can be found at page 142 of the linked PDF file. It states as follows:

The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The NCAA rulebook specifically enumerates -- at page 19 of the linked PDF -- rule 11-1-1 as "an administrative rule that cannot be altered".

I don't know how this is anything other than the end of the analysis. Vols win 20-17. Everything that happened after the referee called the game was just a scrimmage. Because at that point -- per the NCAA -- the game was over. Under the rules, the offiicials had no authority to review the attempted spike.

I can't state that emphatically enough. Once the game was called, the officials -- and the rule does not distinguish between on-field officials and booth officials -- are no longer officials. You and your buddies could dress up like officials and run on the field after the ref calls the game....and you have just as much authority to review a play as the actual refs -- zero.

This is a huge elephant in the room. There is plenty to appeal.
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I can see this going both ways. Does the ref have the right to declare the game over if there was really time left on the clock? UNC could appeal that the game was not really over. Under the rule above the ref could declare the game over at half time if he wanted. But I am guessing there is another rule that states all 60 minutes have to be played out to keep a home town clock operator from running the clock down to zero in the last minute.
 
#170
#170
didnt read all of this but..

did anyone notice in 2 other games they spiked the ball..clocked it..had offensive penalities and... the refs started the clock on the ready after marking off the penalty... not the snap.... that is where we got screwed just as much
 
#171
#171
vols-1 said:
I can see this going both ways. Does the ref have the right to declare the game over if there was really time left on the clock? UNC could appeal that the game was not really over. Under the rule above the ref could declare the game over at half time if he wanted. But I am guessing there is another rule that states all 60 minutes have to be played out to keep a home town clock operator from running the clock down to zero in the last minute.
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Originally Posted by kidbourbon
Here is a link to the rulebook: http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/FR09.pdf

The rule in question is rule 11-1-1. It can be found at page 142 of the linked PDF file. It states as follows:


The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The NCAA rulebook specifically enumerates -- at page 19 of the linked PDF -- rule 11-1-1 as "an administrative rule that cannot be altered".

I don't know how this is anything other than the end of the analysis. Vols win 20-17. Everything that happened after the referee called the game was just a scrimmage. Because at that point -- per the NCAA -- the game was over. Under the rules, the offiicials had no authority to review the attempted spike.

I can't state that emphatically enough. Once the game was called, the officials -- and the rule does not distinguish between on-field officials and booth officials -- are no longer officials. You and your buddies could dress up like officials and run on the field after the ref calls the game....and you have just as much authority to review a play as the actual refs -- zero.

This is a huge elephant in the room.
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At a minimum there is grey area here...this rule suggests that the review booth has supreme power to decide the end of the game....

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 6. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable.
However, the replay official may correct egregious errors, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable.
 
#174
#174
Refs blew it..there is no appeal to a higher authority..consider it for what it was..a game we ALL BUT won..just like LSU..WTF.. it was the Music City Bowl for goodness sake..who cares in the long term
 
#175
#175
I'm gonna keep posting this until all you idiots that keep debating this see the facts


"referee says game over, gives signal. its game over not reviewable. we won that game in regulation."


at that point nothing else matters. period.
 
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