If they don't appeal this game, I'm done with this

#51
#51
All I have to say is this is exactly the same situation as the LSU game. So who the hell is correct. The Big 10 officials or the SEC officials. Either way TN got the raw end of the deal. Go Vols in 2011.
 
#52
#52
Calls happen the entire game where the ref stops the clock a second or two after a play actually ends and time is not added back to the clock. The play should not be ruled dead when the ball hit the ground. The play is dead when the official stops the clock. In this case, the game was over when the official stopped the clock.
 
#53
#53
The clock always stops on a penalty. Including jansens hit with less than a min left.that was a first down but it would've saved a few seconds and 15 yds.
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#54
#54
vol_in_il said:
I'm watching my neighbors dogs, so I walked over to let them out, and I thought of all those bowl games too, and how they just continue to pile up..

and they stick with you till next fall
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Yes, they do. I can't put into words how absolutely sick to my stomach I am right now. The feeling is strangely familiar this time of year. Of course, we have the occassional win . . . usually pulled out of our butt at the end (Wisconsin at the Outback Bowl) or the blow out of a team that isn't really all that good (Michigan in the Capital One Bowl), but the usual is an order of "we ain't ready to play today" with a double order of "who in the hell came up with this pathetic gameplan" and followed with a delux dessert serving of "that was the worst discipline I've seen on the football field this side of a junior high scrimmage."
 
#55
#55
First of all, I bleed orange as much as anyone else. But, if Lincoln does his job, we win, end of story. Second, the secondary let a man run down the side line uncovered, horrible. Janzen, I believe made a great play. He led with shoulder not the head. The receiver initially caught the ball and got a foot down, Janzen hit him and he bobbled the ball. When he regained control he landed out of bounds. The pass was then incomplete. Enforce the penalty from the previous spot. The other is, while the Tarheels were subbing, the ref should have repositioned himself over the snap, until the were off the field. Hence what was said by the NCAA about the LSU game. This really sucks, yet I am still very proud of them all and I'm excited about the future. Go VOLS!!!!!!
 
#56
#56
By the way, what the hell was the ref doing throwing a flag to review a call. That was really pathetic and the first time I had ever seen a ref throw a flag so a play could be reviewed. This is totally BS.
 
#57
#57
I agree that our freshmen are gonna make it a fun team to watch as dooley said. Gbo!
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#58
#58
tmalone said:
First of all, I bleed orange as much as anyone else. But, if Lincoln does his job, we win, end of story. Second, the secondary let a man run down the side line uncovered, horrible. Janzen, I believe made a great play. He led with shoulder not the head. The receiver initially caught the ball and got a foot down, Janzen hit him and he bobbled the ball. When he regained control he landed out of bounds. The pass was then incomplete. Enforce the penalty from the previous spot. The other is, while the Tarheels were subbing, the ref should have repositioned himself over the snap, until the were off the field. Hence what was said by the NCAA about the LSU game. This really sucks, yet I am still very proud of them all and I'm excited about the future. Go VOLS!!!!!!
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I don't know about your interpretation of the rule (not disagreeing, just not up on the rulebook enough to make an intelligent assessment), but I only half agree on "the future." Yes, there's reason to have optimism about the "flashes" of potential from our youngsters. However, until I see some results, I'm not excited about anything but seeing more of this kind of garbage at the end of games. Lord knows that I'll still be watching and pulling for the Vols no matter what, but for God's sake, how many times do we have to watch our team not show up for the bowl game? I want to puke.
 
#59
#59
It's not even the 15-16 men on the field that's the issue for me,multiple people were moving forward at the snap. If this is legal, then at the end of a game when a receiver catches the ball, he should immediately snap it, it costs you 5 yards but you get another play (and stop the clock). That is mind boggling if it is legal (I know it's not in the NFL).

Yes, you hit a PAT, play defense at the end of the half or game and we win, but that entire last drive was complete incompetence from the officiating crew. Never ever...should a Big 10 crew officiate a game that has an SEC tie-in.

This one stings worse than LSU to me....what a bummer.
 
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Chad F said:
I don't know about your interpretation of the rule (not disagreeing, just not up on the rulebook enough to make an intelligent assessment), but I only half agree on "the future." Yes, there's reason to have optimism about the "flashes" of potential from our youngsters. However, until I see some results, I'm not excited about anything but seeing more of this kind of garbage at the end of games. Lord knows that I'll still be watching and pulling for the Vols no matter what, but for God's sake, how many times do we have to watch our team not show up for the bowl game? I want to puke.
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I am tired of loosing Bowl games too. Yet, I believe Tyler is going to be a beast and the WR crew of the future will be good. The foundation is here, we just need two solid recruiting classes and a coaching staff that will stick with us w/o leaving for greener pastures. Yet, I agree. We are in a wait and see mode. I'm just trying to be more optimistic.
 
#61
#61
volfan537240 said:
The clock always stops on a penalty. Including jansens hit with less than a min left.that was a first down but it would've saved a few seconds and 15 yds.
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True, but it should start as soon as the ref wines it. The spike that happened after the offensive penalty should not affect the clock and stop it, as it did. If this occurs, there is no way NC snaps the ball within 1 sec of the clock starting.

Penalty = Ball was snapped with 12+(offensivel
y) on the field, then the ball was spiked. Too many men on the field when the ball was snapped should kill the play and the spike is nullified. The clock restarts as soon as it is wound.
 
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#62
#62
chidave said:
It's not even the 15-16 men on the field that's the issue for me,multiple people were moving forward at the snap. If this is legal, then at the end of a game when a receiver catches the ball, he should immediately snap it, it costs you 5 yards but you get another play (and stop the clock). That is mind boggling if it is legal (I know it's not in the NFL).

Yes, you hit a PAT, play defense at the end of the half or game and we win, but that entire last drive was complete incompetence from the officiating crew. Never ever...should a Big 10 crew officiate a game that has an SEC tie-in.

This one stings worse than LSU to me....what a bummer.
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This. Game was over.
 
#63
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tmalone said:
I am tired of loosing Bowl games too. Yet, I believe Tyler is going to be a beast and the WR crew of the future will be good. The foundation is here, we just need two solid recruiting classes and a coaching staff that will stick with us w/o leaving for greener pastures. Yet, I agree. We are in a wait and see mode. I'm just trying to be more optimistic.
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I'm with you on the "wait and see" mode now. I'm through with getting excited due to "glimpses" of promise or potential. Scepticism is now the way that I'm looking at things. Yes, I will always wear my organge and I will always be screaming my head off for the Volunteers, I have to admit that I've been mentally scarred by all of this . . . how can we not?? As we were going into the 2nd OT, I replied to a text message that a buddy had sent me commenting on the great catch by Stocker . . .my reply said, "It was great, but it's hard to believe that we won't find a way to lose this game." Man, was I right.

It's kind of like my trips to the Army-Navy game. I went this year, but after the result I told my wife that I'd never waste my money to come back to another until the team proves that they can get over the hump. Now, I'll always be watching the Vols whenever I can, but I think I've developed a similiar attitude about UT bowl games. One word: PATHETIC.
 
#64
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chidave said:
It's not even the 15-16 men on the field that's the issue for me,multiple people were moving forward at the snap. If this is legal, then at the end of a game when a receiver catches the ball, he should immediately snap it, it costs you 5 yards but you get another play (and stop the clock). That is mind boggling if it is legal (I know it's not in the NFL).

Yes, you hit a PAT, play defense at the end of the half or game and we win, but that entire last drive was complete incompetence from the officiating crew. Never ever...should a Big 10 crew officiate a game that has an SEC tie-in.

This one stings worse than LSU to me....what a bummer.
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I agree and believe the rule must be changed in the college game. With the current rules, the runner on the last play before the spike could have thrown the ball into the stands after his run and taken a five yard delay of game penalty but the clock would have stopped with something line 9 seconds which would have given time to try a field goal. UNC would have almost the equivalent of an extra time out. The current rule has a huge loop hole in it.
 
#65
#65
Jwill10ut said:
I may be wrong but shouldn't that play been considered to never happen.... just like if they throw a td on that play... it doesn't count they respot the ball and run the clock
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uh this? anyone else agree?
but... they mightve been able to get the snap off anyways because of all the time that they had during the review to set up field goal team, but this seems to be how it should have happened.
 
#67
#67
Refs should have been standing over the ball because the NC offense was in the process of substituting. The defense gets the opportunity to adjust to offensive subs. As was the case at LSU, the refs did not properly stand over the ball. The snap should not have been allowed while they were subbing, which would have run the clock out. TN won this game.
 
#68
#68
Poster is correct that it is an illegal spike, they do not get the benefit of a stopped clock. It should be appealed. We held our tongue after the LSu game, but it's time for Dooley to step up. We won the game.
 
#69
#69
And yes, while offense is substituting, ref must stand over the ball. We won the game. It should be appealed.
 
#71
#71
well, apparently if the game is stated to be over it doesn't matter...maybe the refs will get together talk about it tomorrow and decide there is a holding penalty against North Carolina and have to replay the field goal.
 
#72
#72
Chad F said:
If we make the extra point, none of this matters.

If we actually wrap up on our tackles instead of trying to deliver an NFL highlight hit (which is now illegal in the NFL), we might have won in regulation.

If we don't rough the kicker on the field goal, maybe UNC doesn't get a TD in the first OT, and we possibly pull out a win.

If. If. If. If. . . . I'm sick of "if's." I'm sick of watching our bowl games and walking away disgusted. This goes all the way back to Nebraska killing us back in the late 1990's, K-State killing us in 2000, two pathetic performances against the ACC in back-to-back Peach Bowls, not showing up for the Outback Bowl against Penn State, and then getting embarassed by VT last year. Now, we have another one to add to the list.

No excuses. No more "talk." Until this team figures out a way to win when it counts, we'll all just remain fans of a once great program that is struggling to dig itself out of a hole. I'll be with the Big Organge regardless, but this is absolutely pathetic.
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Totally agree with you on this one. You said it perfect!
 
#74
#74
Basically the flag was at the snap of the play, not after the spike that stopped the clock as it was enforced.
 
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