If one thing sums up the Dooley error it's this

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CountVolcula said:
Eventually you have to stop blaming the past for your present failure
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I agree but the problem is simple....everybody does not agree on the same timeline to start shifting the blame.

Another question, where would we be at this point right now if Dooley were still the HC. With his Two years of recruiting and two years of football and development.

Record under Dooley last year 4-8, this year would probably be 3-9.
 
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oregonvol said:
This is Butch's second year. At a certain point, the guy making 3 million a year needs to take responsibility for the players he has and the results he gets from them. How many folks were blaming Houston Nutt during Hugh Freeze's 2nd year? How many were blaming Mike Sherman during Kevin Sumlin's 2nd year? Who was blaming Mike Shula during Saban's 2nd year? Was anybody even talking about Robbie Caldwell during James Franklin's 2nd year?
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Idiot post is idiotic. Apparently you have been drinking too much (again). If you picked UT to beat Jawja before the season started then you need to lay off the METH!
 
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TNVOLFN said:
Problem is that, with the exception of Franklin, those guys recruited a competent level. You know, fill needs, both Lon term and short term. Our former coach's lack of recruiting, paired with the dumpster fire left from the previous regime, has led to much attrition. Butch and Co. are fixing that now, no doubt. Teams better get us now while we are young.
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This. UT has the distinction of having two classes in Rivals Top 13 that underachieved or "fizzled": #1 - 2009 and #6 - 2007. Both the 2006 and 2008 classes were much weaker than normal for TN (the latter was ranked in the mid-30s).

From these groups, UT had what has been described as some of the worst attrition in the nation and multiple 4* and 5* recruits that never performed up to their ranking.

Add to this the fact that Kiffin passed on are helped turn away some recruits that could have been major playmakers in Knoxville. Toss in the DD experience and lack of recruiting at key positions. Sprinkle in the turnover in staffs over the last five years and academic issues at UT, and CBJ inherited a major rebuilding project.

I'm rather impressed at the progress made so far and look forward to better days ahead.
 
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newokie03 said:
Idiot post is idiotic. Apparently you have been drinking too much (again). If you picked UT to beat Jawja before the season started then you need to lay off the METH!
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He has not changed his tune and will never do it. At least he is consistently wrong and always preaching the gloom and doom. Not able to deal with change.
 
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VOLinCO said:
This. UT has the distinction of having two classes in Rivals Top 13 that underachieved or "fizzled": #1 - 2009 and #6 - 2007. Both the 2006 and 2008 classes were much weaker than normal for TN (the latter was ranked in the mid-30s).

From these groups, UT had what has been described as some of the worst attrition in the nation and multiple 4* and 5* recruits that never performed up to their ranking.

Add to this the fact that Kiffin passed on are helped turn away some recruits that could have been major playmakers in Knoxville. Toss in the DD experience and lack of recruiting at key positions. Sprinkle in the turnover in staffs over the last five years and academic issues at UT, and CBJ inherited a major rebuilding project.

I'm rather impressed at the progress made so far and look forward to better days ahead.
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Agree some don't see it that way, but it is a plus. If Dooley were here we would all be on suicide watch or looking out for others.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
Plus Dooley is the reason we won't have Worley next year since he burned his redshirt against Bama for... no reason whatsoever.

So next year we'll have more experience everywhere, but starting a QB who looked like a lost puppy today in relief of Worley. Here's to hoping Peterman or Dobbs improves dramatically throughout this season and next offseason.

Loved our effort today, definitely a game we should have lost anyways, but I'm already worried about next season.

Thanks, Dooley. Thanks, Mike Hamilton.
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Well said.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Eventually you have to stop blaming the past for your present failure
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Eventually? Yes.

Now? No way. The fact that we've played the way we have in the first four games, given what Dooley left us with, is pretty impressive.

He has not changed his tune and will never do it. At least he is consistently wrong and always preaching the gloom and doom. Not able to deal with change.
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oregonvol has a developed quite an elaborate schtick over the years. Whatever presents the most negative possible outlook for the future of UT football, that's his opinion. He knows which people to credit and discedit, which historical examples to promote and ignore, what context to promote and downplay. All in order to maximize that schtick to its fullest potential. He has quite a talent for it.
 
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VOLinCO said:
This. UT has the distinction of having two classes in Rivals Top 13 that underachieved or "fizzled": #1 - 2009 and #6 - 2007. Both the 2006 and 2008 classes were much weaker than normal for TN (the latter was ranked in the mid-30s).

From these groups, UT had what has been described as some of the worst attrition in the nation and multiple 4* and 5* recruits that never performed up to their ranking.

Add to this the fact that Kiffin passed on are helped turn away some recruits that could have been major playmakers in Knoxville. Toss in the DD experience and lack of recruiting at key positions. Sprinkle in the turnover in staffs over the last five years and academic issues at UT, and CBJ inherited a major rebuilding project.

I'm rather impressed at the progress made so far and look forward to better days ahead.
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The wins will come. It is discouraging that we will lose our leader on offense , though. Both our backups have been shaky in game action and one of them will have to make huge steps if we are going to see significant improvement next year.
 
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Vols4ever said:
Dooley knew he had 3 years max, and had a good set of lineman to cover him till then. he did not care about UTs future one bit!
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You've hit the proverbial nail on the head with this one, sir.

Dooley was given a golden ticket that he planned to ride for as long as the admin & boosters would let his ineptitude ride. There was a lot of handwriting on the wall during those nightmare years, but one of the most glaring to me was the lack of planning and grooming lineman. It never was a thought on his brain.
 
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VOLinCO said:
This. UT has the distinction of having two classes in Rivals Top 13 that underachieved or "fizzled": #1 - 2009 and #6 - 2007. Both the 2006 and 2008 classes were much weaker than normal for TN (the latter was ranked in the mid-30s).

From these groups, UT had what has been described as some of the worst attrition in the nation and multiple 4* and 5* recruits that never performed up to their ranking.

Add to this the fact that Kiffin passed on are helped turn away some recruits that could have been major playmakers in Knoxville. Toss in the DD experience and lack of recruiting at key positions. Sprinkle in the turnover in staffs over the last five years and academic issues at UT, and CBJ inherited a major rebuilding project.

I'm rather impressed at the progress made so far and look forward to better days ahead.
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I agree. I think Tennessee is ahead of schedule. Just played the 12th ranked team in the nation dead even on the road with a bunch of pups. You could argue that the best team did not win today.
 
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Sounds like Dooley also did a nice job alienating a lot of the high school coaches in the state. I wish these losses could somehow be credited to his win loss record instead of Butch.
 
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dooley was a bad case of the clap; hamilton was the bubonic plague. thanks to butch, it looks like the vols are recovering from both.
 
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I'm still waiting to see what Peterman can do. We still have posters who swear he's the bomb. waiting.....tick.tick.tick.
 
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govols2008 said:
So far this season we have seen Worley and now Peterman obliterated in the pocket, rarely have any time to throw.

How in the hell did he not take any linemen in 2012???? We are seeing now the direct results of his ineptitude as a football coach. I hate that these kids and coaches have to pay for his mistakes. We should have one or two veteran o linemen, imagine the difference that would make.
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Dooley sucks no doubt.

But Jones has had two recruiting cycles to shore up the offensive line.

He apparently whiffed on Blair. You don't take 6'8" 300 lb JUCO's to sit on the bench.
 
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JohnMarxism said:
Old post is old. Support our O-Line
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Factual post is factual. The OP is correct. Our OL struggles are one of the things that can absolutely be continually blamed on Dooley. Any criticism of Dooley when it comes to the OL is warranted and 100% correct.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
Peterman should never play again if we want to win
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Peterman needs to transfer. Hoping Dobbs improves dramatically from his redshirt this year and ball out during spring. It is going to suck to start a true freshman next year
 
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