If not Dooley - then who?

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#153
Guess it really doesn't matter. He's at USC.
 
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hdrizzle21 said:
He has no track record of winning, I was personally hoping for Gary Patterson or Kyle Wittingham, proven winners but thats just me... However Dooley did get Chris Wilcox from Boise who I think will prove to be huge. We have to face it that we were spoiled with Lane and his staff recruiting wise last year. They were relentless and you knew you weren't out of it until NSD. Dooley is doing a descent job filling needs which is most important this offseason. O-Line and interior D-Line are the major holes and if he can fill them approriately I won't complain.
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Spoiled from Kiffin's recruiting? Why does that notion even get play on VolNation?

Kiffin left us holes, holes, and more holes. And where there aren't holes he left us thin, thin, and thin.
 
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#155
Mike Shula thinks you guys should give Dooley a chance, he is the son of a legendary coach, what possibly could go wrong.
 
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SGMVols said:
So Louisiana Tech is the WAC equivalent of Vanderbilt? I'd say Utah State is much closer to filling that role. With the talent available in the states of Louisiana and neighboring Texas, Louisiana Tech should be at worst the WAC version of Auburn.
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Their record in the 30 years before Dooley coached them begs to differ. La. has a lot of talent that's a given but most of those kid's like most kid's in the south dream of playing in the SEC not the WAC. Track records are track records. LATech and Utah have been WAC doormats for years just like Vandy and Kentucky in the SEC. I would find it amazing that you stick so hard to this argument that has no legs.

Your one argument against the guy is his record at a doormat school which given that schools history was really good. I have never seen you make a single argument without that as your single supporting argument. If he was nearly as inept as you make him out to be explain how he salvaged and even improved upon the mess he walked into? I find it miraculous that we walked out of this with a ranked class.
 
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wbeaver said:
So you will excuse Kiffin's record, but not Dooley's? Even though Dooley had a ton of injuries his final year?


"Louisiana Tech did have a lot of injuries this season. Six starters went down with season-ending injuries and 21 players from the original depth chart missed significant time. Tech went 1-5 to end the season, but all five of those losses were by 10 or fewer points. "

Dooley leaves La. Tech with 17-20 record - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN




This is why all the negativity is not called for. People defend Kiffin's record and make excuses for that, but refuse to look into all the injuries that Dooley had to endure during his final year.
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Arguing with these people is a waste of time they refuse to see logic and will constantly throw out straw men as soon as they see they can't win.

The same people that say you can't compare Kiffins NFL record to Dooleys record (a point on which I agree) use his performance in the WAC to equate success in the SEC. Mind boggling.

But to throw out my own straw man I would say the competitive and talent levels between the SEC and the WAC are comparable to the differences between the SEC and NFL. Chew on that Dooley haters.
 
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Why didn't we get a bigger name coach? Risk and reward. The problem was there was not one up and coming or proven coach that had sufficient ties to UT to take on the risk of taking over a team with 3 weeks to recruit, a depleted roster and one of the most brutal schedules in the nation.
If Muschamp for example took the job and was unable to turn it around he would have a hard time convincing AD's that he is still a top tier head coaching candidate.

Support Dooley period. Ultimately you have to want the head football coach of the University of Tennessee to succeed.
 
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utgibbs said:
Spoiled from Kiffin's recruiting? Why does that notion even get play on VolNation?

Kiffin left us holes, holes, and more holes. And where there aren't holes he left us thin, thin, and thin.
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Agreed. However, there appear to be many on Vol Nation who like sizzle instead of steak. They call those folks "naive" in most circles.
 
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PayingUTKTuition said:
If we sacrificed the recruiting class this season, a lot of additional misery would have been heaped on the current situation. We actually have 2 top 10 classes now back to back. Any big name coach who would ever come in here would want to see that he would at least have a shot at turning it around within a couple of years.
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OK, then, try to keep this in mind as we go forward.

With this level of talent, Dooley should win. It shouldn't take 3 or 4 years to complete an assessment. Mine is mostly done. I'm just waiting for you guys to collect the evidence you need.
 
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pimo1 said:
Their record in the 30 years before Dooley coached them begs to differ. La. has a lot of talent that's a given but most of those kid's like most kid's in the south dream of playing in the SEC not the WAC. Track records are track records. LATech and Utah have been WAC doormats for years just like Vandy and Kentucky in the SEC. I would find it amazing that you stick so hard to this argument that has no legs.

Your one argument against the guy is his record at a doormat school which given that schools history was really good. I have never seen you make a single argument without that as your single supporting argument. If he was nearly as inept as you make him out to be explain how he salvaged and even improved upon the mess he walked into? I find it miraculous that we walked out of this with a ranked class.
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excellent post. for the hello of it, chuck liddel.
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Gen. Neyland, oops, he is not available. Dang, I guess we will have to go with what we got, which I personally like.
 
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AllVolinGA said:
Gen. Neyland, oops, he is not available. Dang, I guess we will have to go with what we got, which I personally like.
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If he were alive, I'm sure the reason Hamilton didn't hire him was either (1) he was not interested or (2) he tried, but Neyland insisted on hiring his own staff or (3) the UT job is just too big of a risk for someone like him.
 
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never argue with someone who is drunk because you cant win...same goes for people on here...gruden said no thanks but people think we should have him...patterson said no thanks but people think we should have him...and so on and so on...dooley will do just fine...
 
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rsm said:
never argue with someone who is drunk because you cant win...same goes for people on here...gruden said no thanks but people think we should have him...patterson said no thanks but people think we should have him...and so on and so on...dooley will do just fine...
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Since you're in the know, how much did we offer those guys? They better have turned down a whole bunch if we're paying this much to a guy whose claim to fame is a bowl win.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Who has needed to? And I don't know for sure, but I feel confident that we could have pulled it off. A lot of money has to be convincing to a lot of people.
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Nobody has tried because it's a bad idea. What big name coach is going to put his reputation on the line where there is no history of success. Not even an example to go on. Also after the exodus of all the players and 2 awful recruiting classes, because of all the uncertainty, that would put us even farther away from Bama and UF. What big name coach would want to deal with that and be at least 3 years from having his team and having a chance at a league title? Most big coaches want the chance to win and win right away.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Nobody has tried because it's a bad idea. What big name coach is going to put his reputation on the line where there is no history of success. Not even an example to go on. Also after the exodus of all the players and 2 awful recruiting classes, because of all the uncertainty, that would put us even farther away from Bama and UF. What big name coach would want to deal with that and be at least 3 years from having his team and having a chance at a league title? Most big coaches want the chance to win and win right away.
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Oh please, Saban left Miami for Tuscaloosa for a team on probation. And I'm sure he knew his situation wouldn't be easy. Money talks. If people have confidence in themselves to win at this level, they'll come. They know it's not a situation where they have to win next year.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Oh please, Saban left Miami for Tuscaloosa for a team on probation. And I'm sure he knew his situation wouldn't be easy. Money talks. If people have confidence in themselves to win at this level, they'll come. They know it's not a situation where they have to win next year.
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That's a good example of a coach coming in an winning quick. I will give you that. Howver and not surprisingly, you missed the point. My whole post is in reference to naming an interm coach and then throwing big bucks at someone.

That's what we were discussing, afterall...
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
That's a good example of a coach coming in an winning quick. I will give you that. Howver and not surprisingly, you missed the point. My whole post is in reference to naming an interm coach and then throwing big bucks at someone.

That's what we were discussing, afterall...
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That doesn't change anything that I said. Throw the big bucks at someone, just a year later. They'll have their hands full, but the great coaches will be able to.
 
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What's done is done, and we need to make the best of it. But since you brought it up. During the hiring process, I made a list of about 10 guys that were realistic and available. I remember Petersen and Patterson were #1 and #2, respectively. Dooley was an afterthought.

The guy I really wanted instead of our previous coach was Brian Kelly, who is now at ND. By the time our previous coach abandoned us, that ship had sailed.
 
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