If non-football players can see...

[GVol1966]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

Well I was not a "footbal player" but when Dobbs had about 5 seconds to throw to an open reciever that the d was 5 yards off and the ball hit the ground 2 feet away from the reciever , I am pretty sure that's inaccurate!

 

[1SmokinVol]

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

You are ****ting us right?

So when we see the replay on TV -where Dobbs throws the ball into double coverage, you see 2 receivers with their hands waving in the air because there is no one defending them? and Dobbs takes double coverage? You are saying that we can't make the call that Dobbs sucks as a passer? Because it happens quite often.

 

[MWAVolfan]

1.) Gary Danielson played QB in the pros for years, and did you hear what he said about some of the throws?

2.) If airplane & helicopter pilots, Army soldiers, and even quantum physicists use computer-based simulations for training and modeling, then shouldn't anyone who's played EA Sports be considered as having played QB? (By the way, look up the New York Times article about how video games are changing the way the actual game is played. Nearly all of the players/managers highlighted in this article are top players and/or managers.)

3.) I don't need to be an MD to diagnose somebody who is choking, I don't need to be a police officer to see others commit traffic violations, and I don't need to be a culinary college graduate to say you should avoid sushi on sale at the 7-11 store.

P.S. I'm not getting on Dobbs, but rather on anyone who says I don't have the standing to recognize a bad throw.

A-freaking-men

I hate people who think they know more about football because they played it at some level. Like it takes a genius to figure out how something was supposed to work.

It's really easy to tell when a QB is trying to throw a ball away vs trying to complete a pass. It's also really easy to spot a QB who is fixated on one receiver and ignoring the others, even if they are wide open. It's also pretty easy to see when a play is run that there was only one expected outcome, for example telling Dobbs to throw it to the flat no matter what.

 

[aredfox28]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

Dude... I've coached football for 19 years.. And I can plainly see that 3/4 of Dobbs passes are off the mark. You dont throw behind the receiver on a crossing route, he does this all the time, out route passes go out bounds of in the dirt. Etc. If you can't see this, maybe you should go get the book, football for dummies.

 

[Volsick]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

This is not quantum "physics". This is football. I can watch any play from scrimmage and tell if Dobbs made a good throw or not. There are a few instances where he one hops it to the receiver and even took responsibility for it. Arguing that we don't know what we are talking about is kind of ignorant. Considering most of us here have been football fans/players ourselves since before we could walk.