If non-football players can see...

[Dougie_D]

the inconsistency of Dobbs being an accurate passer, then what do you think the rest of his teammates think of his ability?

And even our coaches?

For a coach that wants to fix a situation, why couldn't they get a QB coach to really teach Dobbs? Maybe our coaches have no clue?

Bajakian was the only one on staff that played QB right? Well, he's gone.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

 

[MiramarVol]

He has the fuul support of his teammates. He was chosen to be a Captain by his peers. He's worked and still is working on his throws and timing. There's more to a completion that a non-football player as yourself wouldn't know. It boils down to timing. That's with the drop, the WR route that puts him at a specific point on the field to receiver the pass, the OL blocking scheme that picks up the rush, and seeing what the defense is doing prior to the snap. One let down from any of those areas results in a disruption of timing. You try keeping your eyes downfield when there's over 1000 lbs of anger trying to tear your head off. You don't think the problem is WR separation? A make shift OL? Yes, he could do better. We all could. He had a bad game. Get over it. The OL has been having bad games all year. The WR's have drops all year. The defense has been getting gashed all year. The CB's been getting burnt all year. I could go on and on. To single out one player is crazy. Ainges was talked about. Ice Man was too. Bray, could throw for 300 a game and we would still lose. Crompton was a "worm burner", and the original Jalen Hurts, but that's probably over your head since you don't know football. Worley never kept the option read. The QB position is a position of criticism, but at least be intelligent enough to know some of the parameters that make him inaccurate some games.

 

[volfannbama]

the inconsistency of Dobbs being an accurate passer, then what do you think the rest of his teammates think of his ability?

And even our coaches?

For a coach that wants to fix a situation, why couldn't they get a QB coach to really teach Dobbs? Maybe our coaches have no clue?

Bajakian was the only one on staff that played QB right? Well, he's gone.

Even Dobbs supports recognize his inconsistencies passing, that's no secret. It's the other things he brings that make him the starter and leader of the team. And his teammates recognize that.

 

[howboutaspoon]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

So you're saying I can't tell if it's a good or bad pass when the ball skips to a wide receiver on a 5 yard hitch route on 3 & 14?

 

[KBVol]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

Yes and no. There are plenty of throws that fans immediately put on the qb when, in fact, the throw may have been fine but the receiver was at the wrong depth, or ran the wrong route or the two just miscommunicated.

However, Dobbs made at least 3 passes Saturday, in a clean pocket, on short hitch routes and/or simple comeback routes that skipped 3/4 yards in front of the WR. We've also seen him (and other QBs) skip WR screen passes. Those were all bad qb throws.

Yes while I agree with your overall premise, there are some throws that are 100% on the qb/Dobbs and anyone watching knows it.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

Wow the condescending lectures....

When any QB targets a WR who is open but then skips the pass off the dirt six feet in front of him, viewers can tell that's a bad pass.

OP: yes it effects the players mentally when they execute a play and any one player messes up their part so the play doesn't work. But they mess up plays sometimes too so I think for the most part they are forgiving. But it can certainly add up and become an issue.

Plus players tend to react to attitude and effort first and foremost, No doubt Josh's passing limitations are frustrating, but I think he buys himself a lot of grace by his work effort and leadership, so I really doubt that this is an internal team issue in this case.

In many cases it would be an issue, i just think this one is unique bc of how he conducts himself all other areas of the game, outside of passing.

 

[HighWaterVol]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

No and no.

 

[Rocky Top Raby]

It's very easy for non football players to see he is inaccurate. He misses wide open targets all the time.

 

[1Big_Orange_Fan]

When I played in HS we were not very good and there were several positions where certain players were especially bad. BUT, we were a team and supported each other and the only reason an internal issue would come up was if someone wasn't giving the right effort. It's really about that, hence the issue with Mr. Hurd and the support his team gave him.

 

[HHH]

So you're saying I can't tell if it's a good or bad pass when the ball skips to a wide receiver on a 5 yard hitch route on 3 & 14?

This.

 

[tallvolball98]

Wow the condescending lectures....

When any QB targets a WR who is open but then skips the pass off the dirt six feet in front of him, viewers can tell that's a bad pass.

OP: yes it effects the players mentally when they execute a play and any one player messes up their part so the play doesn't work. But they mess up plays sometimes too so I think for the most part they are forgiving. But it can certainly add up and become an issue.

Plus players tend to react to attitude and effort first and foremost, No doubt Josh's passing limitations are frustrating, but I think he buys himself a lot of grace by his work effort and leadership, so I really doubt that this is an internal team issue in this case.

In many cases it would be an issue, i just think this one is unique bc of how he conducts himself all other areas of the game, outside of passing.

They all must be mentally messed up beyond repair. Sometimes messes up plays? Fumbles , dropped passes, penalties, bad fielding of a ball already down on the one, poor tackling, block in the backs etc etc. If they ousted every player that made a mistake we wouldn't have a team left. Maybe that's what's wrong with whole team. :-/ Not sure there have been that many "executed" plays this year. Just a lot of luck. I do t think one single player can be blamed for this. Not putting down the team, it's just been cluster... I blame most on coaches who don't give their players confidence and terrible, terrible play calling. I sure don't know the answer of how to right any of this sans a new HC. If we keep CBJ maybe the only thing that will help is Peyton getting in CBJ's ear but I don't think Peyton would do that without being sincerely asked for his help. I don't think CBJ COULD BRING HIMSELF TO ACTUALLY ASK FOR OR IMPLEMENT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

The big thing here is...our coaching staff is payed to prepare and play the best player at each position. If anyone think that these 2 things are happening with our staff, I would love to here how anyone thinks they are getting this done.

Forgot this: also preparing our depth.

 

[tallvolball98]

the big thing here is...our coaching staff is payed to prepare and play the best player at each position. If anyone think that these 2 things are happening with our staff, i would love to here how anyone thinks they are getting this done.

Forgot this: Also preparing our depth.

yep

 

[photovol]

Unfortunately Dobbs is a double edge sword, he's both a liability and an asset ......winning championships with Dobbs is a very long shot due to his accuracy problems

Will Jarrett Guarrantano be any better? Let's hope so

 

[savannahfan]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

I'am sorry. Overthrows, passes behind receiver, throws at feet, ect., all to wide open receivers (they do get open now and then) are demoralizing to those working hard to make a play work. Not to mention us poor dumb fans (me included). When we watch freshman, backups, and lesser athletes doing well (some really well) we think why does our qb have some much trouble. I don't care what you, or anyone else thinks, WE NEED A QB COACH. Even the best golfers in the world know they need help with mechanics and most have a coach on staff. How about baseball, the best pitchers in game? I don't think a team in the game does not have a pitching coach.

 

[WildTurkey]

Yes and no. There are plenty of throws that fans immediately put on the qb when, in fact, the throw may have been fine but the receiver was at the wrong depth, or ran the wrong route or the two just miscommunicated.

However, Dobbs made at least 3 passes Saturday, in a clean pocket, on short hitch routes and/or simple comeback routes that skipped 3/4 yards in front of the WR. We've also seen him (and other QBs) skip WR screen passes. Those were all bad qb throws.

Yes while I agree with your overall premise, there are some throws that are 100% on the qb/Dobbs and anyone watching knows it.

Don't forget the horrible decisions to lob the ball up for grabs in the red zone (INT vs App St), force the ball into coverage on 1st down in OT (INT vs A&M), throw a pick 6 on a screen (INT vs Bama), throw into coverage deep in own territory (INT vs SC), throw late over the middle of field in 2 min drill down one score (INT vs SC).

My wife made comments about those throws/decisions and she couldn't tell you what conference we play in.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

Unfortunately Dobbs is a double edge sword, he's both a liability and an asset ......winning championships with Dobbs is a very long shot due to his accuracy problems

Will Jarrett Guarrantano be any better? Let's hope so

A LONG SHOT! What happens most of the time when you play a long shot? More times than not it doesn't turn out good. So why? Why, as a coach trying to build something great here, take that big of a risk. Really don't get this staff's thinking. And I really wanted them to be the ones to get us back

 

[BenGrimm]

Yes and no. There are plenty of throws that fans immediately put on the qb when, in fact, the throw may have been fine but the receiver was at the wrong depth, or ran the wrong route or the two just miscommunicated.

However, Dobbs made at least 3 passes Saturday, in a clean pocket, on short hitch routes and/or simple comeback routes that skipped 3/4 yards in front of the WR. We've also seen him (and other QBs) skip WR screen passes. Those were all bad qb throws.

Yes while I agree with your overall premise, there are some throws that are 100% on the qb/Dobbs and anyone watching knows it.

No QB throws a perfect ball every time.

Dobbs played bad last Sat without question. Overall though his accuracy is inconsistent. He can be deadly accurate for several passes in a row then completely off for a few.

He hasn't done anything to warrant getting benched though. And no coach short of Spurrier yanks their proven Sr QB out after a few bad passes.

 

[tallvolball98]

Unfortunately Dobbs is a double edge sword, he's both a liability and an asset ......winning championships with Dobbs is a very long shot due to his accuracy problems

Will Jarrett Guarrantano be any better? Let's hope so

Well Dobbs will be gone so we don't need to worry about that

 

[livefaith]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know when the QB was being smart to throw it into the ground to avoid a sack or interception. We don't know when receivers have run wrong routes, or when a defender is in position to break on the pass if delivered where it needs to be, and we also don't know under what conditions the QB has been instructed to end the play with a safe throw away.

Neither do we know when a defensive lineman has positioned himself into the passing lane, so that there's no delivery window to get the ball to an otherwise open receiver.

Let's be appropriately humble. If I started a thread called "If a non theoretical physicist in quantum mechanics can see..." we would all back off, even if we'd read some Stephen Hawking books, and ask ourselves before replying, "What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

Football's not quantum physics, but it's a lot more complicated at this level than the plays we ran in middle school! I'd bet all our coaches fall within the top 30 percentile of their NCAA peers. They've studied this game and practiced their craft for years--and for some, decades. Each year they read about every new wrinkle, every new scheme. These guys are professionals. Every play, every block, every attempted pass is charted. They work 60 hour weeks, looking for some little edge.

Let's all try to be a little wiser--a little more in touch with reality--in our criticisms. We fans can play a role in helping to improve this team. But not by lashing out blindly at the nearest orange piñata.

Gosh. This is a work of art. Sticky worthy IMO.

Thank you. Post more often.

 

[tallvolball98]

I'am sorry. Overthrows, passes behind receiver, throws at feet, ect., all to wide open receivers (they do get open now and then) are demoralizing to those working hard to make a play work. Not to mention us poor dumb fans (me included). When we watch freshman, backups, and lesser athletes doing well (some really well) we think why does our qb have some much trouble. I don't care what you, or anyone else thinks, WE NEED A QB COACH. Even the best golfers in the world know they need help with mechanics and most have a coach on staff. How about baseball, the best pitchers in game? I don't think a team in the game does not have a pitching coach.

We also need an o line that can protect our QB.

 

[vik]

Sorry, but non-football players CAN'T see which ones are truly inaccurate throws.

We can guess, but we don't really know . . .


"What do I really know about quantum mechanics?"

1.) Gary Danielson played QB in the pros for years, and did you hear what he said about some of the throws?

2.) If airplane & helicopter pilots, Army soldiers, and even quantum physicists use computer-based simulations for training and modeling, then shouldn't anyone who's played EA Sports be considered as having played QB? (By the way, look up the New York Times article about how video games are changing the way the actual game is played. Nearly all of the players/managers highlighted in this article are top players and/or managers.)

3.) I don't need to be an MD to diagnose somebody who is choking, I don't need to be a police officer to see others commit traffic violations, and I don't need to be a culinary college graduate to say you should avoid sushi on sale at the 7-11 store.

P.S. I'm not getting on Dobbs, but rather on anyone who says I don't have the standing to recognize a bad throw.

 

[golf437]

the inconsistency of Dobbs being an accurate passer, then what do you think the rest of his teammates think of his ability?

And even our coaches?

For a coach that wants to fix a situation, why couldn't they get a QB coach to really teach Dobbs? Maybe our coaches have no clue?

Bajakian was the only one on staff that played QB right? Well, he's gone.

Laughable.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Losing will show a mans true character. The same can be said of fans.