If Martin leaves

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esarmstrong said:
Lots of baggage and unknowns with Howland. I think I woould rather keep Martin, if we can.
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I agree. What I found interesting in the comments following the article I linked were the "John Wooden parameters". I know many simply want Martin gone, but honestly, I see a lot in Martin that a man like Wooden would embrace and respect. I have to wonder if Martin has finally gotten the team to buy into how he wants to play this game? Has he managed to turn the corner so to speak? I'd like more time to see how the program evolves under the man.
 
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3 years of mediocre play, but a sweet sixteen run with a team full of talent and experience finally playing to their potential and suddenly UT fans are idiots for ever questioning Counzo. I hope he gets his extension and raise, he earned it, but if he leaves its not the fans fault. The petition was stupid, but Hart could have squashed that quickly with a simple statement that UT supported the current coach and that Bruce was not coming back here. Also Bruce didn't do anything to stop it either. We had every right to question the progress of this team. Credit to them, the stepped it up and played inspired and made a great run. I appreciate and am proud of the team and Counzo for turning it around, but it doesn't erase the question marks from the last 3 seasons. Again, I like Counzo, I hope he gets a raise and extension, but those of you saying the fans are idiots and should be embarrassed are wrong. I put the blame on Hart, and if Counzo ends up leaving, it's on Hart. But I'm also confident he can hire another decent Coach. Unfortunately, this will end up being another issue of race, as some have already made it.
 
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VolWoman said:
That's not what I did. If you want to take it that way, go ahead, but you missed the point.
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No you did exactly that. Alford signed that big azz contract extension and took a job with one of the top 4 traditional powers in college basketball. Archie Miller signed a big azz contract extension and he is gonna leave for a team that has been good for maybe 20 years out of its total existence? Alford left for a clear upgrade. I don't think I could say the same for Archie.
 
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lovavol said:
no way, CCM is our coach, get over it...howland look foolish at ucla....do not want him
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Glass house maybe? Look at his résumé. Did he royally screw up to be the only coach to be fired after winning the league championship? Sure. But to act like he is onviously only UT Martin coach material is absurd.
 
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CAVPUT said:
And yes, I recognize that UT has no opening at the moment. Should an opening develop Howland would be interesting, but I guess it depends on which version you'd be getting? Not saying he isn't the "right" choice or the best "fit" for UT, but I do hope Hart et al look long, look hard and look deep.

Howland's downfall at UCLA?
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Figured this would get merged...better response before lost in merge.

You chose a article riddled with Red Flags.

Goggle and Reading Comprehension are your friends.

Holland needs to go through Mental Evaluations. He is worse than Pearl and the NCAA would live with us.

There are several reasons UCLA let him go and paid him to leave.

Great coach but has zero personal skills and probability would not be able to recruit this area because of his past. Read what his players stated about him, his practices, and the incidents that occurred under his watch.

No.
 
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I sure am glad that none of the people on this thread are in the athletic department. Imagine the dissarray then. With the same logic you guys are using we should be looking for a new football coach after a mediocre season. It shows you how narrow minded and irrational fans actually are. Who would want to coach for a team who's fan base acts in such a way after leading a team to the sweet sixteen. If CCM left, a better hire would not be made. I mean, people signed a petition to hire back a proven liar... Think about that.
 
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illumiVOLi said:
I sure am glad that none of the people on this thread are in the athletic department. Imagine the dissarray then. With the same logic you guys are using we should be looking for a new football coach after a mediocre season. It shows you how narrow minded and irrational fans actually are. Who would want to coach for a team who's fan base acts in such a way after leading a team to the sweet sixteen. If CCM left, a better hire would not be made. I mean, people signed a petition to hire back a proven liar... Think about that.
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If I was picking an AD, the requirement would be prior UT affiliation. Either Pat or Phil. Hell, with this mess, both!
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I didnt say I would be happy if he left. I just don't worry about it. Like I said, it's entertainment to me. If I watched 75 UT games the last 3 years, how many were fun to watch? Anybody watching us would say quite often, "man UT is hard to watch".
If Martin would guarantee he would coach like the last 10, then lifetime contract him. If like most of the prior 2.5 years, I don't care to see it. Maybe others like nit and barely making it. I don't.
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Serious question, can you even remotely explain why we were so flat footed in the first half of the Michigan Game.

Preparation or what...

It was stated that talent can get you to the Sweet 16, but from that point forward it all comes down to Coaching.

Looking back over previous sweet 16s it kind of fits that scenario.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Serious question, can you even remotely explain why we were so flat footed in the first half of the Michigan Game.

Preparation or what...

It was stated that talent can get you to the Sweet 16, but from that point forward it all comes down to Coaching.

Looking back over previous sweet 16s it kind of fits that scenario.
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Yes I can. The fact that Michigan prepared very well. Their defense pushed us out of the paint and forced us to shoot outside. Michigan was also shooting lights out the first half and our rebounds and second chance shots kept us in it the first half. If CCM was such a bad coach then how come the adjustments were made and tennessee nearly pulled an upset against a team that was shooting the ball so well. Yes we are a talented team, at the same time C. Martin has not proven to be a superstar coach but look at the superstar coaches with superstar talent who did not make it to the 16 remaining.

Serious question, if before the season started we were told that tennessee would make it to the sweet 16 this year and that the fans wanted a new coach would you not think that logic was asinine?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Serious question, can you even remotely explain why we were so flat footed in the first half of the Michigan Game.

Preparation or what...

It was stated that talent can get you to the Sweet 16, but from that point forward it all comes down to Coaching.

Looking back over previous sweet 16s it kind of fits that scenario.
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We were confused on on our heels. It appeared we had no idea where any picks were coming from and were unaware of bad mismatches, lanes, and pick and roll.
When you are confused and passive, it's no good.
 
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armchair said:
Martin probably has more job security at UT than he would at Marquette. The Big East, though much weaker now because of the school defections, is still a better bb conference than the SEC. More competition--villanova, georgetown, butler, xavier, creighton, providence. Here, Martin has a pretty good chance of making the NCAA tourney most years because the SEC isn't very good. He can win a lot of SEC games without necessarily having a stout team. It's a pretty good situation.
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What are you talking about, the only two teams he gets credit for beating in the SEC are Florida and Kentucky. Beat any other teams and you find 100's of posts on how he didn't beat anyone, and god forbid you lose to anyone other than Florida or Kentucky.
 
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TOP said:
That Auburn, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Miss State are below .500 and Missouri didn't even make the tournament. That's the run to get us in that impresses you?

Then you have Iowa who lost 7 of their last 8 games, UMass who was seeded incorrectly(?) and Mercer who was a #14 seed.

The Sweet 16 run consisted of beating a bunch of bad teams. The second we faced Florida and Michigan, ya know, good teams... lost. I'm guessing we would have lost to to Duke prior to Sweet 16 if Mercer didn't upset this.

And if you want to compare one crappy Sweet 16 run to a guy that's never made it, how about we wait until Pitino Jr. has had 6 seasons to get there. Martin was almost 0 for 6 in making the tournament but squeaked in with the easiest path in existence. Are you impressed by the teams he beat during that run? Wtf am I missing here?
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More than I'm going to even begin to explain
 
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illumiVOLi said:
Yes I can. The fact that Michigan prepared very well. Their defense pushed us out of the paint and forced us to shoot outside. Michigan was also shooting lights out the first half and our rebounds and second chance shots kept us in it the first half. If CCM was such a bad coach then how come the adjustments were made and tennessee nearly pulled an upset against a team that was shooting the ball so well. Yes we are a talented team, at the same time C. Martin has not proven to be a superstar coach but look at the superstar coaches with superstar talent who did not make it to the 16 remaining.

Serious question, if before the season started we were told that tennessee would make it to the sweet 16 this year and that the fans wanted a new coach would you not think that logic was asinine?
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First, I don't think CCM is a bad coach.

I do not think we showed zero sense of urgency in much of the first half.

I understand the Barton thing to a degree, but I do think we had enough time to throw some wrinkles in ourselves.

War gaming before we get to the game. I know a lot other factors but we looked unprepared for the first part of the game.

Since Martin's arrival, it has been preached that his strength and emphasis was defense. There are times that it seems we are not there and most of those times are against higher level competition.

I do believe that CCM thinks his system will succeed and will recruit to fit it and will not come out of that comfort zone to make adjustments.

We did nothing defensively to disrupt Michigan's offense until the last 3:41 of the game.
 
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UT basketball will survive with or without CCM.

No one knows, outside of CCM and his family (and possibly Dave Hart) what his intentions are. Apparently he is telling signees to ignore the Marquette rumors...and knowing CCM's reputation, I don't think he'd be blowing smoke up their a$$e$ at this point.

If he stays, IMO he needs to take advantage of the late season momentum and ratchet it up a notch on the recruiting front, and try to upgrade his staff if possible.

Otherwise, my fear is that in a couple of years we'll be looking at a re-run of the Mike Davis scenario at Indiana.

JMO...TIFWIW.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
We did nothing defensively to disrupt Michigan's offense until the last 3:41 of the game.
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That is simply not true. Stauskas and LaVert were basically shut out in the second half of the game. It took Zac Irvin and Jordan Morgan having career games to beat U.T. Stauskas and LaVert, U.M. 2 leading scorers, were both held under their average.
 
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Vols4life said:
Lawrence Frank
Danny Manning
Steve Masiello
Steve WoJo

Are the coaches I would call
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Manning is intriguing and brings a lot of name cred. Don't see Frank leaving NBA. Wojo is waiting on Coach K to call it quits. Don't know much about Masiello.
 
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Maybe doing nothing is an exaggeration but looking at a Michigan committing 6 -7 turnovers in the last 6 minutes of the game and 4 in the first 6 minutes may be an indication of something we waited to employ. Michigan had 13 Turnovers the entire game.

When we disrupted their play we gained an advantage. No expert but for 28 minutes they got in a groove.

They were rattled because of youth who knows. They were definitely better prepared for us than we were for them.
 
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A few thoughts on new coach:

1. Martin is a nice guy, but do we honestly think he will make us SEC and NC contenders regularly? Do we really think he gives us any competitive edge?
2. We do NOT EVER want Ben Howland. I live in Ca, I've seen how this guys runs a program and this is NOT who we need-EVER! Please note all the schools who have been after him since UCLA figured this out. Stay away, I'd rather watch paint dry.
3. Moore at Dayton is the type of coach we need. He is young, aggressive, can recruit and will win.

We need a coach who can do the above, have teams that play hard and occasionally wins a game or a few games by out-coaching the opponent.
 
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bnhunt said:
Manning is intriguing and brings a lot of name cred. Don't see Frank leaving NBA. Wojo is waiting on Coach K to call it quits. Don't know much about Masiello.
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Massiello is the high school graduate :)
 
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Can you imagine being in a situation where you have a win-streak (some would say luck-streak) of 3-4 weeks and it basically sets you financially for life? This is so FUBAR, I can't hardly believe it.

(Google FUBAR if you don't know what it means....)
 
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