If Fulmer had fired Clawson mid season, would he have never been let go?

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Woke said:
Personally I’m tired of all the Fulmer nostalgia.

Personally I’m tired and sick to my stomach what this team has done since Fulmer left. Zero east wins , six losing seasons, two seasons of one game above 500. They have sucked to level that is unacceptable and it started when Fulmer was fired. You Tennessee fans on here can’t see it by for some reason most that sit at the stadium every week does.
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He was done after our unacceptable ‘01 SECCG meltdown which was 100%

He went 20-6 the next two years seasons. I’ll take that compared to several 5-7 and 6-6 seasons.
 
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Fulmer wasn't the coward type who would throw a subordinate to the wolves to appease a mob. Yes, his integrity probably cost him his job.
 
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utvols74 said:
Nah....Wyoming was Fulmer's biggest problem that year.

Even though it is nearly blasphemous, when you consider the inept coaches in the SEC when Fulmer made his run (late 90s) - there's no wonder he won so many games with the coordinators/recruiting he had. He had the magic dust - tenure, trust, long-standing coaches, brand, TV exposure, huge stadium, facilities, etc. Spurrier of course was his only nemesis - and Fulmer managed to beat him a few times. Thanks to Jimmy Sexton, the coaching talent in the SEC improved dramatically and left Fulmer behind.
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Fulmer's dismissal had been announced the week of the Wyoming game. To say his biggest problem was losing to them is senile rubbish. The Wyoming loss wasn't a problem, it just confirmed there was a problem.

No, his biggest problem was discipline. Or a lack thereof.
 
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I need someone to convince me why firing Fulmer was the right and best decision for this team. Start at 09 through 18 seasons. I don’t want to hear what Fulmer did or didn’t do this is about from Kitty to Pruitt.

Don’t tell me what I’ve told you. Six losing seasons in ten years, zero trip to SECCG, two seasons of 7-6. Now convince me why firing Fulmer was so good????

Btw. How unusual is it for Tennessee to have six losing seasons? Before this debacle, from 1964 to 2008 they only had six losing seasons. Now think about that.
 
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I've always found it interesting that Clawson has done well for himself. I kinda rooted for him after what happened
 
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alltimevol2331 said:
I need someone to convince me why firing Fulmer was the right and best decision for this team. Start at 09 through 18 seasons. I don’t want to hear what Fulmer did or didn’t do this is about from Kitty to Pruitt.

Don’t tell me what I’ve told you. Six losing seasons in ten years, zero trip to SECCG, two seasons of 7-6. Now convince me why firing Fulmer was so good????

Btw. How unusual is it for Tennessee to have six losing seasons? Before this debacle, from 1964 to 2008 they only had six losing seasons. Now think about that.
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Just because the next guy fails doesn't mean his firing wasn't justified. Hindsight is great
 
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alltimevol2331 said:
I need someone to convince me why firing Fulmer was the right and best decision for this team. Start at 09 through 18 seasons. I don’t want to hear what Fulmer did or didn’t do this is about from Kitty to Pruitt.

Don’t tell me what I’ve told you. Six losing seasons in ten years, zero trip to SECCG, two seasons of 7-6. Now convince me why firing Fulmer was so good????

Btw. How unusual is it for Tennessee to have six losing seasons? Before this debacle, from 1964 to 2008 they only had six losing seasons. Now think about that.
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If you look at the trend during his last 4 years, he had two winning seasons (both with Cutcliff) and two horrendous seasons when the team had talent on the roster.

The main point, imo, is that Cutcliff wasnt coming back and things weren't going to get much better with the way recruiting had fallen off and we were no longer competitive with Nama or UF in recruiting or on the field.
 
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DWright39 said:
I can’t help but think that Fulmer on his worst day was a hell of a lot better than what came after.
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The numbers speak for themselves, in the "bad" Fulmer years, 2002-08, we were 57-32, 23rd most wins in college football. Since then, we are 62-63, and 70th in college football.
 
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Bigun said:
If you look at the trend during his last 4 years, he had two winning seasons (both with Cutcliff) and two horrendous seasons when the team had talent on the roster.

The main point, imo, is that Cutcliff wasnt coming back and things weren't going to get much better with the way recruiting had fallen off and we were no longer competitive with Nama or UF in recruiting or on the field.
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The 90's were unusual in modern times. It is the only decade in the last 6 that we have been in the top 10 in wins. In the other decades in that period we were in the high teens or low twenties, and Fuller's "bad" years, which included two SEC championship game appearances, were right at that baseline. The bottom line is the "bad" Fulmer years were only average FOR TENNESSEE. The decade since has been bad (71st in wins), now I think most Tennessee fans know the difference.
 
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Bigun said:
If you look at the trend during his last 4 years, he had two winning seasons (both with Cutcliff) and two horrendous seasons when the team had talent on the roster.

The main point, imo, is that Cutcliff wasnt coming back and things weren't going to get much better with the way recruiting had fallen off and we were no longer competitive with Nama or UF in recruiting or on the field.
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Like I said last night, what would have happened if Chaney came when he did? Remember he wasn’t on Dooley radar and I don’t really think he was on Pruitt radar until he decided to leave Georgia but I think Chaney wanted to come back.

Florida would have changed as soon as Meyers left and no one has been competitive with bama except at times Auburn and here recently Clemson.
 
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utvolpj said:
Just because the next guy fails doesn't mean his firing wasn't justified. Hindsight is great
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Yes it does. He should have never been fired when he was. I heard Bear say once once you a fire a legendary coach at your school. The school will be cursed. Maybe he said that in trying to save his job but we have been cursed.
 
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I have seen examples on why we should have kept him but none on why we shouldn’t or how things have been better? Come on naysayers let me here you.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The 90's were unusual in modern times. It is the only decade in the last 6 that we have been in the top 10 in wins. In the other decades in that period we were in the high teens or low twenties, and Fuller's "bad" years, which included two SEC championship game appearances, were right at that baseline. The bottom line is the "bad" Fulmer years were only average FOR TENNESSEE. The decade since has been bad (71st in wins), now I think most Tennessee fans know the difference.
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I have heard this many times but what I don’t understand is that from 1926 to 2001 no team won more games than Tennessee. I have never looked at this before but I have heard it.
 
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alltimevol2331 said:
I have heard this many times but what I don’t understand is that from 1926 to 2001 no team won more games than Tennessee. I have never looked at this before but I have heard it.
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It's true, that encapsulates the 30's, 40's, and 50's in which we were also very strong. I love that old history, but I personally don't think records from segregation times are particularly pertinent for analyzing the current state of affairs.
 
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peerless98 said:
Most folks disagree, but I think it was not necessarily just the firing of CPF that set the program back as much as it was the way it was done. Without a solid plan in place, UT fired him mid-season (a poor one I know) following a trip to the SECCG the year prior with an excellent recruiting class in his pocket.
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Most forget that he backdoor-ed the last two SECCG appearances.
 
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XknoxvolsX said:
Most forget that he backdoor-ed the last two SECCG appearances.
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I will give you that Tennessee "backdoor-ed" 2007 although I don't subscribe to that, Tennessee won the eastern division and went to the SECCG no matter how it played out......but in 2004 Tennessee went 7-1 in the SEC, beat every eastern team and Alabama and only lost to Auburn. How exactly is that a "backdoor"? Looks like they kicked the door down
 
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I’m still waiting why and how firing Fulmer has helped the past ten years??? Can anyone answer this question if not then I am right. Firing Fulmer was a huge mistake.
 
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