If Dormady and Guarantano Remain Even By 9/4/17

[IndianapolisVol]

While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?

 

[TAF]

I expect Butch to make *cough the wrong* Decision!

 

[Remy]

As many coaches at the high school and collegiate levels decide, if two players are equal in every way for one slot, you cut the older player for the younger every time. It's heartbreaking when a senior sometimes gets cut but it happens if a lower classman can start over him. I have no clue if QD and JG are equal or one is better than the other. I do know CBJ better put the player that gives the Vols the best chance to win on the field.

 

[46yrvol]

How do you determine the best player that determines the best chances to win on the field? How about the field?

First of all,I am not advising a two qb system. Consider recent history. After Worley as out for the season, you have a choice between a qb that's really good in practice but with the propensity to melt down in games. Then you have the qb that lags in practice but electrifies in games. A coach can not know these things without the game. Why would you take that chance? Then there is Sheaffer/Ainge, Stewart/Manning. Can any one consider these qb competitions as anything other than a success? And if these players are real competitors, this is exactly what they live for. Another observation is that you could not create a greater competition between the two. Could you imagine a really bad practice being as devastating as a bad game if they are fighting for their qb future. Its great to have two guys we believe in than to have just one prima donna in waiting.

What it comes down to is letting the competition run its coarse and letting the winner actually win it as opposed to awarding it, just so you can say you have your #1. Not a two qb system, just letting #1 be determined when he wins it.

 

[Mick]

It needs to be figured out before then. Looking forward to seeing them both compete in the spring game.

 

[UT Hill Man]

Are they even? Dormady is getting more reps if that says anything.

 

[BigSteve09]

Butch will start Dormady just because of the formality of starting the upper classmen. Whenever Dormady gets pulled, either for injury or performance, Butch can put JG in and point to a promising future.

 

[forgiven]

While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?

i think he will play both .. how starts the first game may not mean much. they will get pulled if needed. if Jones does not keep both sharp he would be up the creek if one gets injured. 6-6 might get his ass fired. i think he has to keep them both happy. if he names one the guy the other will transfer out. it may come down that question. i think it will be Dormady. he is the one that would transfer first.

 

[sofflavol]

As stated above and many times in the qb debate, if they are pretty even across the board you go with the younger talent just because the ceiling can be higher for learning. Also I think this competition goes until our date in the swamp.

 

[James K Folks]

I dont think this situation is similar, Butch picked Worley to survive and thought he could keep us in games. We are in a different place with different talents, JG is the most impactful talent Butch has ever had, I doubt he risks a transfer. If Butch burns, it will be with JG on the field. This is the guy. I'd be very surprised if JG wasn't named the starter.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I do think the situation is different.

Going into 2014, Dobbs and his family were hoping for a redshirt, the OL was a mess, WRs were somewhat promising but still unproven, and the running game was a question mark.

In short, it was a situation that, generally speaking, you wouldn't want to put a young, relatively inexperience QB in. It made sense to go with the veteran who seemed capable of avoiding costly mistakes and who had the size to take some of the hits that OL was going to give up.


Of course with hindsight we can see that Dobbs' athleticism improved the running game and OL. However I do think the situation our starting QB will step into in 2017 will be very different than 2014. Not nearly as many question marks around the 2017 unit as a whole.

 

[orangemadam]

Considering we have a very good and experienced line, it is not as critical to have the scrambling, running qb as with Dobbs. I think Dormady will end up with the job and will stay the starter until he doesn't deliver. If JG will stay with the team, he may end up starting later in the season, just not the first few games imo.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Butch will go with Dormady.

Period!

 

[dan4vols]

Butch will start Dormady just because of the formality of starting the upper classmen. Whenever Dormady gets pulled, either for injury or performance, Butch can put JG in and point to a promising future.

Ill be surprised if this isn't exactly how it goes, it deflects blame from the staff and places it on the players and circumstances.

 

[Grudenator]

Butch will start Dormady just because of the formality of starting the upper classmen. Whenever Dormady gets pulled, either for injury or performance, Butch can put JG in and point to a promising future.

Hopefully JG doesn't transfer before that happens..

 

[livefaith]

How do you determine the best player that determines the best chances to win on the field? How about the field?

First of all,I am not advising a two qb system. Consider recent history. After Worley as out for the season, you have a choice between a qb that's really good in practice but with the propensity to melt down in games. Then you have the qb that lags in practice but electrifies in games. A coach can not know these things without the game. Why would you take that chance? Then there is Sheaffer/Ainge, Stewart/Manning. Can any one consider these qb competitions as anything other than a success? And if these players are real competitors, this is exactly what they live for. Another observation is that you could not create a greater competition between the two. Could you imagine a really bad practice being as devastating as a bad game if they are fighting for their qb future. Its great to have two guys we believe in than to have just one prima donna in waiting.

What it comes down to is letting the competition run its coarse and letting the winner actually win it as opposed to awarding it, just so you can say you have your #1. Not a two qb system, just letting #1 be determined when he wins it.

Nice thoughts. And boy is that bolded stmt ever correct. Someone told me today that Peterman was called by Gruden "the most NFL ready" of all the QBs in the draft. I immediately thought back to your statement.

 

[livefaith]

Butch will go with Dormady.

Period!

Period? You mean even if he's injured, gets beat out, or transfers? Period is pretty bold.

 

[marvin616]

Best case scenario is QD starts the entire year, goes 10 and 2 or better and declares for the draft. JG takes over in 18 and does the same or better, setting UT up as QBU and the top QB recruits all come to UT for the next decade or more.

Worst case scenario is neither QB sets themselves apart. Butch starts the wrong guy, doesn't make a change until it's the worst possible time to do so, damaging the psyche of both QB's in the process and neither one recovers until they transfer to Rutgers and the other UT respectively.

I'm hoping QD starts, wins, goes pro and JG stays to do the same in 18.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

In a normal situation when all things are equal you go with the younger player. However Jones will go with QD and the results will probably be similar to 2013 and 2014.

 

[butchna]

In a normal situation when all things are equal you go with the younger player. However Jones will go with QD and the results will probably be similar to 2013 and 2014.

So when you're recruiting a 2018 QB, do you let them know that if they don't immediately start over JG...they most likely won't ever? Because the NEXT younger player will "normally" get the shot? Gotcha. :thumbsup:

 

[Biopsyman]

Keep a sharp eye on BJ Coleman

 

[GRRN7MAXIMS]

What does his chart say? My guess is his chart says to start Jones or McBride and throw 50 times a game.:banghead2:

 

[Volsfaninva917]

So when you're recruiting a 2018 QB, do you let them know that if they don't immediately start over JG...they most likely won't ever? Because the NEXT younger player will "normally" get the shot? Gotcha. :thumbsup:

Do you start a RS Jr who's probably already reached his ceiling in the system over a highly rated RS Freshman who has room to grow in the system? Especially if they're on the same level in the system. All the talking radio heads around Knoxville are say JG is really something special, so it would be a total Butch move to start QD.

 

[butchna]

Do you start a RS Jr who's probably already reached his ceiling in the system over a highly rated RS Freshman who has room to grow in the system? Especially if they're on the same level in the system. All the talking radio heads around Knoxville are say JG is really something special, so it would be a total Butch move to start QD.

You play the better QB. If the "talking heads" are the coaches, there's no problem. If not? Let the heads talk and do your job.

 

[tennrich1]

Do you start a RS Jr who's probably already reached his ceiling in the system over a highly rated RS Freshman who has room to grow in the system? Especially if they're on the same level in the system. All the talking radio heads around Knoxville are say JG is really something special, so it would be a total Butch move to start QD.

To say QD has probably reached his ceiling is uniformed at best. The man hasn't even run HIS offense in a viable game yet. QD knows our system as well as anyone. That's documented. And that's huge in the scheme of things. Talent usually does trump everything else but the QB position is a little different. Going to be fun to watch it play out.