If Dooley Wins 7 games

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King Webbsticles said:
Go sort through the last pages of the Phil Steele thread. You'll have your answer.
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Ok, so I read most of it and still don't believe that ANY of those had the same difficulties that CDD has had. Yes they had difficulty recruiting for a couple of years or they were down and had to be built up. However, if you look at the unique combination of NC coach fired after letting the program go to hell, a one year coach that basically fried 2 recruiting classes, the highly unreal expectations of a lot of the fan base, the loss of the AD (thank God!), and a turn over of nearly the whole coaching staff, I don't think any one school had that perfect storm. Like I said, most of the schools mentioned had one or two of the issues, but not all of them.
 
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If we win seven regular season games and lose the bowl game, I could see him staying. If he has to get the seventh win in the bowl, he's gone.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lol so you consider the program to be on a lower level now than it was when CDD took over? Really?
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Of course not. UT actually has some depth now. Beyond that, I don't think CDD has made noticeable improvements, and I'm not sure he is the one I would want on The Hill if I was a UT fan. Jmo, imo, tifwiw, siap
 
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TNGlen said:
Ok, so I read most of it and still don't believe that ANY of those had the same difficulties that CDD has had. Yes they had difficulty recruiting for a couple of years or they were down and had to be built up. However, if you look at the unique combination of NC coach fired after letting the program go to hell, a one year coach that basically fried 2 recruiting classes, the highly unreal expectations of a lot of the fan base, the loss of the AD (thank God!), and a turn over of nearly the whole coaching staff, I don't think any one school had that perfect storm. Like I said, most of the schools mentioned had one or two of the issues, but not all of them.
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Did any other program have the exact same issues as Dooley? No, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have a harder time building their program.

Given 100 chances, I doubt you see the same scenario that Dooley took over again. However, it doesn't compare to the difficulty of building a program that some others have endured. Most of those named also don't have some of the luxuries that UT does when it comes to building a program.
 
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King Webbsticles said:
Did any other program have the exact same issues as Dooley? No, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have a harder time building their program.

Given 100 chances, I doubt you see the same scenario that Dooley took over again. However, it doesn't compare to the difficulty of building a program that some others have endured. Most of those named also don't have some of the luxuries that UT does when it comes to building a program.
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This is very true. I would say someplace like USC would be a pain to build. However, look at how long Spurrier has had to do it. Given, he was proven many times over, he still had a lot of time to do it. I don't remember many of the others and I do agree with you that many schools have had to go through difficult rebuilding periods, I just don't think that they have had to do so with perfect storm of circumstances and the level of expectation that CDD has had to endure. I firmly believe that had CDD been hired right after CPF, we would be looking at a SECCG this year. You and others may not agree, I just think that the two screwed up years that were Spliffin has cost us royally.
 
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justingroves said:
There was a plan. Pete Carroll and Jack Del Rio screwed it up.
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Do you really think that Kif was the #1 man on Hamiltons list ?

I think that Lane is a good coach but he was a risky hire at best. At this point I believe that we would have been better off to let Fulmer Finish his contract and then Found A great coach to replace him. I dont know what his record would have been, but you can bet it would be better than what we have had the last 3 years.
 
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TNGlen said:
This is very true. I would say someplace like USC would be a pain to build. However, look at how long Spurrier has had to do it. Given, he was proven many times over, he still had a lot of time to do it. I don't remember many of the others and I do agree with you that many schools have had to go through difficult rebuilding periods, I just don't think that they have had to do so with perfect storm of circumstances and the level of expectation that CDD has had to endure. I firmly believe that had CDD been hired right after CPF, we would be looking at a SECCG this year. You and others may not agree, I just think that the two screwed up years that were Spliffin has cost us royally.
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What killed us with Kiffin was all the attrition.
What killed us with Fulmer was the hair brained idea that we should go to a more spread scheme.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Curious as to why you say that. I don't see UF and UT competing for many of the same players, if any.
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Because UT needs credibility in FL to get the players who for whatever reason will not go to UF. UF is not interested in some. Some aren't interested in UF. Some want to leave state.

Let's put it this way. I grew up in NC. I detest UNC. If I had been a BB prospect I wouldn't have given them the time of day... but the team currently giving them the most competition? You bet.

UT competes with UF on a few, FSU on a few, Miami on a few, other SEC teams on a few, and other conference teams on a few. The best chance to impress the FL kids is vs UF.

Last, as I've said before, Florida's offense is such a huge question mark this year, and all the RBs are gone. I just don't think beating us this year has nearly the same cache as it did just a few years back.
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Beating you helps UT in FL... regardless of how good or bad you are.

btw, I do expect UT to win that game this year and end the streak. While Florida's defense is probably top five in the nation, and certainly top ten, the lack of production on offense for the last 4 years has been glaring and likely will continue.
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If Dooley can coach then I think you are right. Again, big test. Great opportunity for him to answer questions. He can't let it come down to kickers though.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
was the hair brained idea that we should go to a more spread scheme.
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Not really. Clawson didn't sink Fulmer. Fulmer sank himself by tolerating Randy Sanders' incompetence for as long as he did, lax discipline, failure to push his assistants including Chavis, and his own sense of "entitlement". CPF preached alot about how playing for UT on scholarship was a privilege but then thought he had a RIGHT to be HC.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not really. Clawson didn't sink Fulmer. Fulmer sank himself by tolerating Randy Sanders' incompetence for as long as he did, lax discipline, failure to push his assistants including Chavis, and his own sense of "entitlement". CPF preached alot about how playing for UT on scholarship was a privilege but then thought he had a RIGHT to be HC.
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Do you think that if Fulmer hired the oc and qb coach from michigan( wich would have brought Mallet here) that It would have ended the same way? Im not a Fulmer apologist. I screamed at the tv plenty with his very conservative play calling at the end of games. Letting teams hang around that we were clearly better than. I just think we would be better off without the last 3 crazy years.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Do you really think that Kif was the #1 man on Hamiltons list ?

I think that Lane is a good coach but he was a risky hire at best. At this point I believe that we would have been better off to let Fulmer Finish his contract and then Found A great coach to replace him. I dont know what his record would have been, but you can bet it would be better than what we have had the last 3 years.
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After his interview, he was. Before he was interviewed, he was around 3rd
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Do you think that if Fulmer hired the oc and qb coach from michigan( wich would have brought Mallet here) that It would have ended the same way? Im not a Fulmer apologist. I screamed at the tv plenty with his very conservative play calling at the end of games. Letting teams hang around that we were clearly better than. I just think we would be better off without the last 3 crazy years.
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Yes. Mallett wasn't eligible for the 2008 season.
 
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TNGlen said:
This is very true. I would say someplace like USC would be a pain to build. However, look at how long Spurrier has had to do it. Given, he was proven many times over, he still had a lot of time to do it. I don't remember many of the others and I do agree with you that many schools have had to go through difficult rebuilding periods, I just don't think that they have had to do so with perfect storm of circumstances and the level of expectation that CDD has had to endure. I firmly believe that had CDD been hired right after CPF, we would be looking at a SECCG this year. You and others may not agree, I just think that the two screwed up years that were Spliffin has cost us royally.
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I understand you point on time given when you don't have expectation. But, to counterpoint, it is an overall wash when you factor in history, tradition, money and fanbase.

For example, it took Spurrier a while to build USCe, because he had some recruiting troubles. It was hard to get players to go to Columbia. Why? Because they didn't have the history of being successful, money for facilities and etc., or a big regional fanbase. All of those are factors that we, at UT, did not have to worry about.

Other places, especially those listed in the other thread, had those problem to overcome as well.

And to your point about CDD being hired right away, I think that we would be in a worse position today had he been. Not only on the field, but in the fanbase too.

Given how "unqualified" people thought Kiffin was, his resume stills greatly trumped Dooley's. I believe that if Kiffin were still here we would be in the running for a BCS bowl this season.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
This is pure BS. The only one who knows is Hart. He is likely to keep him through 5 seasons instead of starting over unless there is a complete meltdown.
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Either we have a different definition of 'complete meltdown' or your statement is fiction.
 
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LWSVOL said:
probably, as an example.

so you think ADs make firing decisions based on number of wins and nothing else?? its either this number or better or look for a replacement??
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It's a huge part, obviously, but I was talking about your example. You said something about coming close to winning 8 but flukes leading to 6 losses, and you asked if that would merit termination. Of course it would. 8 wouldn't even be a good coaching job. Why would 6 be acceptable?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
agreed, but,

what if bray goes down, hunter goes down, etc.

I don't think you only look at w's in that instance. If we don't have any string of injuries and only get 7, he probably should be gone.

That's why I want to watch the games to decide first.
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If Bray and Hunter go down, Dooley will be relying more on his own recruits. The standards, which are already low, shouldn't be lowered because some guys who committed to Kiffin got hurt.
 
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No way Dooley wins seven games I say three SEC wins at best no kicking game and no answer for the second half let downs hopefully Sunseri makes a diffrences but just dont see it.
 
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