If Chaney isn't fired at the end of the season...

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LawVol13 said:
First, you used 2009 as an example. That year we didn't use Jim Chaney's system, and he didn't even call plays. So, that was stupid.

Next year, we bring back every running back that actually has talent and return the entire offensive line. And, with the return of all of our playmakers on the perimeter, teams will be forced to try to defend our passing game first, which I think will open more lanes to run in.
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Because if I didn't someone would have undoubtedly said, "we ran the ball good in 2009," so I wanted to address it out of the gate.

Solid theory. So we have to have a dynamic passing attack to even be competent running the ball? I have my doubts. Vandy proves it.
 
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At the beginning of the year we almost chose not to run because we had such a great passing game. Now we are one dimensional, which means stacking the box and being stopped when running the ball. Chaney can develop a running offense that can be in the middle of the SEC and have a passing game that is top 3. If that happens we win the SEC. Those teams that had such great rushing attacks that won the SEC also kept defenses on their heels because they had qbs that would kill them in play action. In 2002, Chaney's offense was 7th in the country in total yards per game, yet they were 31st overall in passing yards per game. Looks to me like he can develop a run game.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
Because if I didn't someone would have undoubtedly said, "we ran the ball good in 2009," so I wanted to address it out of the gate.

Solid theory. So we have to have a dynamic passing attack to even be competent running the ball? I have my doubts. Vandy proves it.
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I'm saying that will help us to run the ball considering the offensive line has another year in the weight room, and we return all of our talented runners.
 
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Brays numbers are too ridiculous to fire an oc right now. That would be stupid. You don't go away from your stregths. Running might be in a couple years, but its not now.
That being said, chaney has to do better. He is limited with players, so he gets a semi pass, but that doesn't mean he has had a good year either.
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DrunkJohnny said:
Derek Dooley should lose all support from this fan base.

Can you tell me the last time an SEC champion ranked dead last in rushing yards per game in the SEC?

Here, I did the research for you:

2011: Alabama/LSU - 1st/4th
2010: Auburn - 1st
2009: Alabama - 3rd
2008: Florida - 1st
2007: LSU - 2nd
2006: Florida - 2nd
2005: Georgia - 3rd
2004: Auburn - 2nd

This team will not ever compete for a conference championship with Chaney running the offense. I don't care if we have Bray, Hunter, Rogers, and Patterson if we can not run the ball, we will not win. Period.

Chaney has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt over the last three years that he cannot develop a run game in the SEC. Tennessee rushing yards per game in the SEC under Chaney:

2009: 9th
2010: 12th
2011: 12th

A change has to be made. The end. :hi:
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We might want to consider this next year but way too early this year. Our Line needs to get another year to strong enough to push for 4 quarters. If we ain't at least in the top three next year then I will be all for this COMPLETELY!
 
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I've never seen so many people hit the panic button so damn quick on Tennessee football. Have some F'n patience. If this were yr 5 of dooley and co. then I may agree...what someone else said, we lost our two best offensive players. Let time do the talking.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
What about last year? 12th in the SEC.
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People seem to forget that we had 2 SR WR's last year (DMo and GJ) and a SR TE. Last year defenses couldn't stack 8-9 guys in the box to stop the run, they had to account for these other guys so that opened up the run game alot Also, at that time they didn't know that Simms couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Also, we have to remember that Chaney/Dooley didn't recruit Poole. I like the guy, but he has proven he's not an elite back. It remains to be seen if Lane/Neal/Smith can become elite backs and they are looking to recruit at least 2 maybe 3 backs next year.
 
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The problem with waiting until after next season (besides being completely unnecessary) is Dooley will be going into his 4th year, his "do-or-die" season. He will not and cannot fire a coordinator in that situation. Barring a miracle hire, it will most likely result in him losing his job. Not to mention Hunter and Da'Rick will most likely be gone. We need a new coordinator next year, when we have all of our weapons.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
This offensive line is leaps and bounds better than Vandys, any way you want to slice it.

Vandy: Rushing ypg - 167
Tennessee: Rushing ypg - 82

Vandy: Rushing yards vs Georgia - 199
Tennessee: Rushing yards vs Georgia - -20
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Compelling numbers there. I'm guessing the reason Vandy ran the ball better against UGA than UT did is because of their depth and upper classmen. Plus, think about it, if Bray doesn’t suffer a freak injury due to the offense lineman getting beat by a d-lineman, we win that game by 20+ going away.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Compelling numbers there. I'm guessing the reason Vandy ran the ball better against UGA than UT did is because of their depth and upper classmen. Plus, think about it, if Bray doesn’t suffer a freak injury due to the offense lineman getting beat by a d-lineman, we win that game by 20+ going away.
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Not sure if serious. My sarcasm detector may be out of batteries.
 
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Valid Post. You can't compete in this league for championships if you don't run the ball.

I would say that poole is not quite good enough and the run blocking has been awful this year. IDK if i would make the change at OC (which is why i don't get paid to make those decisions) but if we can't get A LOT better next year in terms of running the football we will not be as good as many people think. (myself included)
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
The problem with waiting until after next season (besides being completely unnecessary) is Dooley will be going into his 4th year, his "do-or-die" season. He will not and cannot fire a coordinator in that situation. Barring a miracle hire, it will most likely result in him losing his job. Not to mention Hunter and Da'Rick will most likely be gone. We need a new coordinator next year, when we have all of our weapons.
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How exactly is next year Dooley's 4th year? Based on my calculations he will be ending his 2nd year on Jan 14 2012 and just beginning his 3rd year.

Jan 15 2010 - Jan 14 2011 - Year 1
Jan 15 2011 - Jan 14 2012 - Year 2
Jan 15 2012 - Jan 14 2013 - Year 3
Jan 15 2013 - Jan 14 2014 - Year 4
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Compelling numbers there. I'm guessing the reason Vandy ran the ball better against UGA than UT did is because of their depth and upper classmen. Plus, think about it, if Bray doesn’t suffer a freak injury due to the offense lineman getting beat by a d-lineman, we win that game by 20+ going away.
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What? no way this is serious.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
The problem with waiting until after next season (besides being completely unnecessary) is Dooley will be going into his 4th year, his "do-or-die" season. He will not and cannot fire a coordinator in that situation. Barring a miracle hire, it will most likely result in him losing his job. Not to mention Hunter and Da'Rick will most likely be gone. We need a new coordinator next year, when we have all of our weapons.
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SO instead he should not give his current OC more than one year to get to run his system. Say he hires a OC next year and we have another Clausen effect where they don't get the system then what?
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Compelling numbers there. I'm guessing the reason Vandy ran the ball better against UGA than UT did is because of their depth and upper classmen. Plus, think about it, if Bray doesn’t suffer a freak injury due to the offense lineman getting beat by a d-lineman, we win that game by 20+ going away.
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We obviously weren't watching the same Georgia game.
 
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How about I also contribute the stats without Chaney:

2005: 9th
2006: 10th
2007: 7th
2008: 9th

And that's with better and deeper talent than we could even dream about having at this moment in time. To prove that point, let's check the OL and RB depth charts from each year:

2005
First Team OL - 3 SRs, 2 JRs
Second Team OL - 1 JR, 2 SOs, 2 FR
First Team RB - SR
Second Team RB - FR

2006
First Team OL - 2 SRs, 2 JRs, 1 SO
Second Team OL - 1 JR, 2 SOs, 2 FR
First Team RB - SO
Second Team RB - SO

2007
First Team OL - 1 SR, 2 JRs, 2 SOs
Second Team OL - 2 SOs, 3 Redshirt FR
First Team RB - JR
Second Team RB - SO

2008
First Team OL - 1 SR, 4 JRs
Second Team OL - 2 JRs, 3 SOs
First Team RB - SR
Second Team RB - JR

2009
First Team OL - 2 SRs, 3 JRs
Second Team OL - 1 SR, 2 JRs, 2 SOs
First Team RB - SR
Second Team RB - FR

2010
First Team OL - 1 SR, 1 SO, 3 FRs
Second Team OL - 1 SR, 1 SO, 3 FRs
First Team RB - JR
Second Team RB - SO

2011
First Team OL - 1 JR, 4 SOs
Second Team OL - 4 FR, 1 SO
First Team RB - SR
Second Team RB - FR

So, while we were better (not great) rushing the ball in the past vs the rest of the SEC, we also had the O-Line stocked good JR and SO depth with SRs and JRs mostly starting. In fact, the 9th in the SEC stat seems to be par for the course vs the past. Time will tell if it's either Chaney or our OL not being mature enough, but to make that call either way is asinine, considering the personnel we have.
 
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pl3 said:
Brays numbers are too ridiculous to fire an oc right now. That would be stupid. You don't go away from your stregths. Running might be in a couple years, but its not now.
That being said, chaney has to do better. He is limited with players, so he gets a semi pass, but that doesn't mean he has had a good year either.
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For the record... I don't believe we should fire anyone... yet... I do believe something is wrong and it's not just because of depth issues, lack of upperclassman experience, injuries, etc. Obviously these issues play heavily into our inability to play well... however; they alone are not the only reasons for our poor play. I do not feel this staff has adapted well to these conditions and will continue to be critical until they figure it out.
 
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tomq_123 said:
How exactly is next year Dooley's 4th year? Based on my calculations he will be ending his 2nd year on Jan 14 2012 and just beginning his 3rd year.

Jan 15 2010 - Jan 14 2011 - Year 1
Jan 15 2011 - Jan 14 2012 - Year 2
Jan 15 2012 - Jan 14 2013 - Year 3
Jan 15 2013 - Jan 14 2014 - Year 4
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He said if we wait until after next year, Dooley will be entering his 4th year at that point. That will be dooley's big year to show his stuff
 
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Cheese Donkey said:
So, while we were better (not great) rushing the ball in the past vs the rest of the SEC, we also had the O-Line stocked good JR and SO depth with SRs and JRs mostly starting. Time will tell if it's either Chaney or our OL not being mature enough, but to make that call either way is asinine, considering the personnel we have.
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I'm not concerned with any of that. It doesn't take more than 3 years to build a competent running game. Period.
 
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Don't see that happening, but what is interesting is that Kiffin didn't take Chaney with him and when Dooley came in you typically see a new HC bring or hires their own OC. I know someone will say Dooley interviewed Chaney, if so who else got a shot?
 
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