I want to know where got 12? comes from

[Jasongivm6]

When 4 of them they claim came out before 1936, when Final Polls came out.

I will give them 6 legit ones. 1925, 1930, 1934, 1961, 1979 and 1992. They were undefeated in all of those years.

But in 1926 Bama Tied Stanford in the Rose Bowl.
In 1964 Bama lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl.
In 1965 Bama lost to a 6-4 Georgia team and Tied Tennessee.
In 1973 Bama lost to Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl.
In 1978 Bama lost to USC and both teams claim the NC.


Those are 11 teams that Bammer claims to have won the NC.

Where is the 12th?

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

to here my ignorant brother in law tell it, they have 20...He sent me about 30 emails trying to explain to me how they had the right to lay claim to 20 NC's and this and that...Like out of all those there aren't but 5 or 6 that make sense but a bunch of those are from polls that don't make sense....like the "Kellogs cereal poll" or somethin like that....Whose ever heard of that one?

 

[tvolsfan]

i saw this one on espn. there was a debate.


hate to say it but this how it goes for the top 4. (this is how the ncaa recognizes them)

alabama 12
usc michigan and notre dame 11.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Actually, they have 23

Bama's NC's :whistling:

 

[tvolsfan]

the ncaa recognizes bammer as national champs in

1. 1925
2. 1926
3. 1930
4. 1934
5. 1941
6. 1961
7. 1964
8. 1965
9. 1973
10. 1978
11. 1979
12. 1992

hate to say it but thats the way they are given credit.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by tvolsfan@Oct 19, 2005 5:26 PM
i saw this one on espn. there was a debate.
hate to say it but this how it goes for the top 4. (this is how the ncaa recognizes them)

alabama 12
usc michigan and notre dame 11.

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They're claiming 1941 as one of their NC's. That's the 12 one. They lost to Vanderbilt and Miss State that year. They finished 20th in the AP and Coaches' Poll, 2 spots behind #18 Tennessee. But that is their 12th one I was missing.

1941 NC

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

Originally posted by Jasongivm6@Oct 19, 2005 5:27 PM
Actually, they have 23

Bama's NC's :whistling:

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That's the one he sent me! :shakehead:

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by Jasongivm6@Oct 19, 2005 5:30 PM
They're claiming 1941 as one of their NC's.  That's the 12 one.  They lost to Vanderbilt and Miss State that year. They finished 20th in the AP and Coaches' Poll, 2 spots behind #18 Tennessee.  But that is their 12th one I was missing.

1941 NC

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And they finished #5 in the AP and Coaches' Polls in 1962.

 

[utvolpj]

Bammers also count retroactive NC's. Some of the polls that they claim were not even thought of in their "NC year".

If they can claim it, so can we. UT Nat'l Champs

 

[OrangeAndBlue]

LMAO we have THREE

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

Better than none O&B

 

[volinbham]

Also, NC's were bestowed prior to bowl games - e.g. bowl games didn't count in the record.

For example, our famous year of undefeated, untied and unscored on includes a loss in our bowl game (I think it might have been Stanford).

The 1941 one is a joke for sure.

 

[volinbham]

Originally posted by OrangeAndBlue@Oct 19, 2005 6:15 PM
LMAO we have THREE

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Let me guess, Steve Eck was a gator grad :biggrin2:

 

[volinbham]

Looks like Princeton leads the pack!

 

[Chattownsfinest]

Ok Bama has 12 ND and USC claim how many?

National Champs Tenn:
1. 1938 TCU 11-0-0 Dutch Meyer
Notre Dame (Di) 8-1-0 Elmer Layden
Tennessee (Li) 11-0-0 Robert Neyland
2. 1940 Minnesota 8-0-0 Bernie Bierman
Tennessee (Du, Wi) 10-0-0 Robert Neyland
3. 1950 Oklahoma 10-1-0 Bud Wilkinson
Tennessee (Du, Li) 11-1-0 Robert Neyland
4. 1951 Tennessee 10-0-0 Robert Neyland
Maryland (Du) 10-0-0 Jim Tatum
5. 1998 Tennessee 13-0 Phillip Fulmer
-missing one
National Champs Alabama:
1. 1925 Alabama (CF, HF) 10-0-0 Wallace Wade
2. 1926 Alabama (CF, HF) 9-0-1 Wallace Wade
3. 1930 Alabama (CF) 10-0-0 Wallace Wade
4. 1934 Minnesota 8-0-0 Bernie Bierman
Alabama (Du, Wi) 9-0-0 Frank Thomas
5. 1961 Alabama (AP, UP, NF) 11-0-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Ohio St. (FW) 8-0-1 Woody Hayes
6. 1964 Alabama (AP, UP), 10-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
7. 1965 Alabama (AP, FW-T) 9-1-1 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Michigan St. (UP, NF, FW-T) 10-1-0 Duffy Daugherty
8. 1973 Notre Dame (AP, FW, NF) 11-0-0 Ara Parseghian
Alabama (UP) 11-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
9. 1978 Alabama (AP, FW, NF) 11-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Southern California (UP) 12-1-0 John Robinson
10. 1979 Alabama 12-0-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
11. 1992 Alabama 13-0-0 Gene Stallings

-missing one

 

[tvolsfan]

Originally posted by OrangeAndBlue@Oct 19, 2005 7:15 PM
LMAO we have THREE

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actually, you have one. cfb database whereouse may give you three but the ncaa is what counts and they only give you credit for 1996.

sry bout that.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Oct 19, 2005 7:47 PM
Ok Bama has 12 ND and USC claim  how many?

National Champs Alabama:
1. 1925 Alabama (CF, HF) 10-0-0 Wallace Wade
2. 1926 Alabama (CF, HF) 9-0-1 Wallace Wade
3. 1930 Alabama (CF) 10-0-0 Wallace Wade
4. 1934 Minnesota 8-0-0 Bernie Bierman
Alabama (Du, Wi) 9-0-0 Frank Thomas
5. 1961 Alabama (AP, UP, NF) 11-0-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Ohio St. (FW) 8-0-1 Woody Hayes
6. 1964 Alabama (AP, UP), 10-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
7. 1965 Alabama (AP, FW-T) 9-1-1 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Michigan St. (UP, NF, FW-T) 10-1-0 Duffy Daugherty
8. 1973 Notre Dame (AP, FW, NF) 11-0-0 Ara Parseghian
Alabama (UP) 11-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
9. 1978 Alabama (AP, FW, NF) 11-1-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
Southern California (UP) 12-1-0 John Robinson
10. 1979 Alabama 12-0-0 Paul "Bear" Bryant
11. 1992 Alabama 13-0-0 Gene Stallings

-missing one

this is alabama, i guess they cant count too good....

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[OrangeAndBlue]

Originally posted by tvolsfan@Oct 19, 2005 7:18 PM
actually, you have one. cfb database whereouse may give you three but the ncaa is what counts and they only give you credit  for 1996.

sry bout that.

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yea, i knew that.... :biggrin2:

 

[OldVol]

I think this thread needs a little perspective from someone a little longer in tooth. Me!

Prior to the final polls being issued before the post-season, the NCAA and all of college football for that matter, considered bowl games as a reward for a good season. The Bowl was not considered as a part of the season for that reason. They weren't viewed as a part of the season, but as a fun trip for the players, thus their results were not meant to be included in a team's success for that season.

Only after the polls began to issue a post-post-season poll did the bowls become important in a team's seasonal success.

So, I guess the Bammers can claim the titles since in those days that's the way it was perceived.

Of course, I think it's also important to inject this little tid bit of information. In many of those years Alabama played some very unsavory characters. In one year in the 40s they played Samford (not Stanford) Spring Hill and Mercer, all in the same year. In fact, they opened with Samford for many years back then.

I don't know how excited I'd be about that if I were a Bammer.

 

[allvol]

I could not agree more. You can't start retroactively count bowl games towards national champions when they did not count at the time of the game. That's like changing election rules AFTER the votes are cast.

In 1939, SEC Champions Tennessee finished the regular season 10-0 and ranked # 2 in the AP poll. The Vols did not allow a single point in all 10 games. The last such team to do so in NCAA history. Tennessee was ranked # 1 for 4 weeks during the season, but unexplicably dropped to # 4 with only 2 games left on the season.

After the season was over, the Vols were invited to the Rose Bowl. They took a train cross-country. When they got there, many events were set up for the Vols to party with the Hollywood stars. The Vols played # 3 Southern Cal and lost 0-14. All-American tailback George Cafego did not play in the game.

Of course, if the bowl games did count, the Vols would have been National Champions in 1938 after the # 2 Vols beat # 3 Oklahoma 17-0 in the Orange Bowl and also in 1950 when the #4 Vols beat #3 Texas 20-14 in the Cotton Bowl.

 

[QBvol7]

Originally posted by tvolsfan@Oct 19, 2005 5:29 PM
the ncaa recognizes bammer as national champs in

1. 1925
2. 1926
3. 1930
4. 1934
5. 1941
6. 1961
7. 1964
8. 1965
9. 1973
10. 1978
11. 1979
12. 1992

hate to say it but thats the way they are given credit.

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In 1941 Minnesota won the NC. Bama was 8-2 or 8-3 and finished 20th. The NC was given by a laundromat in Tuscaloosa.

 

[Jmxvol]

What's funny is if you watch a tape of the 1992 natl. Championship game, they talk about Bama having 6 national championships, so Mike Dubose must have won about 5 National Championships.

 

[hitandrun]

I think that when you buy 11 championships, you get the 12th free.

 

[GOT TWELVE?]

We only paid for 9.

 

[volmanjr]

Originally posted by GOT TWELVE?@Oct 20, 2005 7:37 PM
We only paid for 9.

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Now that's funny , I don't care who you are.