I thought Manning was done choking...

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jakez4ut said:
also consider the competition he's played against, specifically contemporaries at the same position: Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Phil Simms, Jim Kelly, Donovan McNabb......he's basically a bridge from then to now. and still competing at a very high level.

they're both great, but for different reasons, hard to say one is better than the other, but i'd say most top notch qb's have better chance to succeed in Peyton's circumstances than Brett Favre's circumstances.:thumbsup:
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Agreed 100%
 
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#378
Manning has played with:
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Ken Dilger, Marcus Pollard and Dallas Clark
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MH, Wayne, Jerome Pathon, Terrance Small, Terrance Wilkins

Favre
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Chmura, Keith Jackson, Bubba Franks
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Sterling Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, Brooks and Greg Jennings is an up and comer.

I think Favre has had better receivers really.
 
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jakez4ut said:
they're both great, but for different reasons, hard to say one is better than the other, but i'd say most top notch qb's have better chance to succeed in Peyton's circumstances than Brett Favre's circumstances.:thumbsup:
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I get that Peyton is in a position to succeed. However, other QBs have had similar systems/stability and not done what he's done.
 
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kptvol said:
I get that Peyton is in a position to succeed. However, other QBs have had similar systems/stability and not done what he's done.
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who?
Bradshaw...4 rings.
Aikman...4 rings
Montana...4 rings

all had consistency at the skill position, O Line and solid/steady/consistent rb's. coaching not a question either, save the Barry Switzer thing in Dallas. Siefert in SF was a Walsh disciple, easy transition. TB never knew anyone other than Knoll.

dont' confuse what all teams try to do, with the few that actually get it done, and yes, the colts qualify as one that "got it done", it just took a while.

Marino? no. Duper and Clayton early on were money, after they were gone, the dolphins never had any consistancy at WR, they had 0 running game.

dan fouts? no.

John Elway? no. not until his final two years when they had a running game and a defense did John get his rings.

Jim Kelly? he would qualify, but they did make it 4 times, winning once you get there isn't guaranteed.

anyway, not picking, i'm not a peyton basher, i genuinely like him and when my team isn't in it, and he is, he gets the nod in my book. but i think saying he's "better" than Favre is silly. just as i'd say saying Favre is better than manning is silly.

they're both great, and PM will have time to re write the history books as his career continues.....

think about it, in teh early/mid 90's, you had Favre and Elway in the SB, everyone knew then that Favre was "next". arguing if he was "better" than elway at that time was kind of pointless as Elway already had the majority of his legacy written. Favre's was still in the making. Now that Favre is close to the end, i think most would look back and put he and Elway at the same table.

you have the same case here. :thumbsup:
 
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let's not confuse stability with talent. those bradshaw, aikman, montana, and brady led teams have had better talent across the board. this year's colts squad had some similar talent, but lost the season to injuries.
 
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jakez4ut said:
who?
Bradshaw...4 rings.
Aikman...4 rings
Montana...4 rings
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Those Steeler teams Bradshaw was on were 10x better than the teams Manning has had. The defenses, particulary, were far superior. As for Aikman, he won 3 Super Bowls, not 4. He also played for 16 years. It's not unreasonable to think Manning will equal that.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
let's not confuse stability with talent. those bradshaw, aikman, montana, and brady led teams have had better talent across the board. this year's colts squad had some similar talent, but lost the season to injuries.
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that's kind of my point. when the colts are at full power, they're very talented. that wasn't the case this year, and moreover, it was really a comparison to the Packers' teams Favre has had over the years. he's had talent at various points, but not on the consistent basis the others have had.
kptvol said:
Those Steeler teams Bradshaw was on were 10x better than the teams Manning has had. The defenses, particulary, were far superior. As for Aikman, he won 3 Super Bowls, not 4. He also played for 16 years. It's not unreasonable to think Manning will equal that.
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my mistake on Aikman, and i also don't disagree about the defenses. but again, the comparison was to Favre alone and the offensive talent/stability. of which Manning has had more of than Favre over his career. it's not like manning has been lining up with scrubs on the offensive side of the ball....
 
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#387
Not that it matters anymore, but take a look at Brady's stats today versus the Chargers. Not any better than Peyton Manning's. Brett Favre didn't exactly have an outstanding night, either. I'm not accusing any of the three of choking.
 
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kptvol said:
Not that it matters anymore, but take a look at Brady's stats today versus the Chargers. Not any better than Peyton Manning's. Brett Favre didn't exactly have an outstanding night, either. I'm not accusing any of the three of choking.
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I was thinking about this myself earlier. Brady was awful today, and unlike Manning's two tipped-pass INTs last week, Brady just flat-out threw it to the other team three times. If his defense doesn't bail him out and hold the Chargers to four FGs, then they lose. Would we have seen the "Brady chokes" threads if that had happened? He wet the bed with the perfect season on the line, after all. And he did it in the AFC championship game last year too.

This "choking" thing is out of hand. Sometimes you just lose. There's another team out there playing its ass off too, after all.
 
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vol4eva said:
Peyton probably cares less about what we all think of him anyways. He's been very successful, and will go down as one of the best quarterbacks to play the game. I'm sure he will be just fine.
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That is why Hatevol Hates Peyton so much....Because Peyton has 2 things Hate will never have......Millions on top of Millions & Fame....it must be hell to be so Jealous!
 
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bigorange#1 said:
That is why Hatevol Hates Peyton so much....Because Peyton has 2 things Hate will never have......Millions on top of Millions & he is Famous....it must be hell to be so Jealous!
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I don't pretend to know what Hat does or does not have. But some of the things I've seen on here lead me to believe that at the very least, Hat does not have to concern himself with how much money is in his bank account everyday.

May not be millions and millions, but if I had to bet, I'd say Hat is in the upper 25% in income level, at least far enough that I'd say he isn't "jealous".
 
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