I think some on here need a crash course on how coaching changes work

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1) Gruden/the next HC will not be announced within the same week that Dooley would be canned. Not only is it bad form on the University's part, but there's still lots of things to get through during the hiring process.

2) There's no rush in hiring the next coach. It's not like he is going to come in and coach the rest of the season. In an ideal situation, he is hired after a bowl bid is secured. It allows him to see the team practice and hit recruiting hard.

3) There's also no rush in firing Dooley. It's hard to believe that an interim coaching situation would win more games than keeping the status quo for the rest of the season. While many fans say this season is over already - going to a bowl game and getting 8 wins is important for offseason training & extra cash for an AD that is hurting financially.

4) In Gruden's case in particular, the last Monday Night Football is December 22nd. I'm not sure what his contract with ESPN is like, but there's a good chance that if he was the guy, it wouldn't be officially announced until after that.

5) Hart's silence on all things Dooley is probably the most damning evidence we have that there will be change. Much like we saw from the Auburn AD last week, all it takes is a newsblast or radio spot to simmer down the fanbase until season's end. As Hart stays silent, and the fanbase gets more rowdy, a scenario with Dooley in 2013 becomes more challenging for the program on many fronts.
 
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Stevorino said:
1) Gruden/the next HC will not be announced within the same week that Dooley would be canned. Not only is it bad form on the University's part, but there's still lots of things to get through during the hiring process.

2) There's no rush in hiring the next coach. It's not like he is going to come in and coach the rest of the season. In an ideal situation, he is hired after a bowl bid is secured. It allows him to see the team practice and hit recruiting hard.

3) There's also no rush in firing Dooley. It's hard to believe that an interim coaching situation would win more games than keeping the status quo for the rest of the season. While many fans say this season is over already - going to a bowl game and getting 8 wins is important for offseason training & extra cash for an AD that is hurting financially.

4) In Gruden's case in particular, the last Monday Night Football is December 22nd. I'm not sure what his contract with ESPN is like, but there's a good chance that if he was the guy, it wouldn't be officially announced until after that.

5) Hart's silence on all things Dooley is probably the most damning evidence we have that there will be change. Much like we saw from the Auburn AD last week, all it takes is a newsblast or radio spot to simmer down the fanbase until season's end. As Hart stays silent, and the fanbase gets more rowdy, a scenario with Dooley in 2013 becomes more challenging for the program on many fronts.
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very trure statements.

Shows terrible backing by a universtiy for a coach to fire mid-season.

However if we lost games to Troy or UK I think that something might be done mid-season. IMO.

But hopefully with the talent that we have on offense we will be able to get past those two teams. However the Mizz and Vandy game will be two that could go either way IMO.

GBO VFL. :rock2:
 
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Bingo.

The damage is done. Dooley is going nowhere until after the Kentucky game and I'm confused why anyone would want anything else. Of course it would be nice to get the word that Dooley will not coach next year but it's more damaging to can Dooley now than after Kentucky. Say you do fire Dooley now, you really don't expect Gruden to come in mid week and coach these last few games? And people worrying about recruiting, the worst thing is to name an intern coach. The best thing that can happen to us is to keep Dooley until Kentucky and then bring in a new coach. If we do make a bowl game, expect him to coach that final game as well. Nothing happens until the season is over and if it does, huge mistake on UTs part.
 
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As long as the new HC gets a year "0", it's cool to wait till Dec/Jan to announce it. If he will be held accountable from day 1(unlike Dooley), everyday we wait, we fall behind in recruiting.
 
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That's why I've been saying that all of these "insiders" expecting an announcement are full of ****.

4 straight wins will do a lot to simmer down the fanbase too.
 
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Noway that makes to much since. Dooley Fired today, Gruden Starts Job today and With in Hours Sure up 10 5 star Commits for UT. Thats the kinda shiet some of these Idiot Fans on here want to believe.
 
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Point #3 isn't accurate in our situation. Hart announcing Dooley gone will allow him to openly go after a coach. There are at least 2 other and maybe 3 other SEC schools that will be looking for a coach. So there's a definate edge in canning him before seasons end. And no one would be surprised at his ouster this year.

Your other points are good.
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I think we get a new coach around the week of Nov 26 if its a big name. We need a to get him started on recruiting. I think the end of Nov starts the contact time that runs thru first of Feb?
 
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But, why put off til tomorrow what you can do today?

It's like we're peeling the band aid off, nice and slow, instead of ripping it off in one motion.

Dooley's done, and everyone knows it... Why drag it out? An interim could out-talent the remaining teams on the schedule just as well as Dooley. Hell, if there's one thing we can do, it's beat a less-talented team in spite of our coaching. Shown that time and again.

Good points, though. Tough to disagree with most.
 
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BristolTnVol said:
Noway that makes to much since. Dooley Fired today, Gruden Starts Job today and With in Hours Sure up 10 5 star Commits for UT. Thats the kinda shiet some of these Idiot Fans on here want to believe.
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That's not true. I've not seen any posts where people think Gruden or any other coach would take over this season.
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mtowntim said:
Thought it was supposed to be 3pm yesterday? You know, so Gru could break the big news on MNF. Got pushed back till today huh? What if it doesn't happen today? Next week, book it? Is it going to be one of those deals where all of our insiders were right but the deal fell thru so actually they were wrong but still claim to be right? Never understood how that works. I guess the situation is fluid. I guess we will just wait and see.
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vol1981 said:
You do realize that since today IS Monday, an announcement today would still allow time for the big announcement on MNF.
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mtowntim said:
Oh yeah, I realize that. Also, I realize that would be considered unproffessional on behalf of Hart and Gruden. Even if behind the scenes negotiations have been going on, as a proffessional courtesy, firing & hiring usually are not announced the same day.


Or they could just knock it out in one big press conference... you know, Royal Rumble style and what not. :)
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Hey guys, just had this little convo in the It's Over-Announcement Coming thread. Thought I would drop these in here and be on my way.

Good day :)
 
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Stevorino said:
1) Gruden/the next HC will not be announced within the same week that Dooley would be canned. Not only is it bad form on the University's part, but there's still lots of things to get through during the hiring process.

2) There's no rush in hiring the next coach. It's not like he is going to come in and coach the rest of the season. In an ideal situation, he is hired after a bowl bid is secured. It allows him to see the team practice and hit recruiting hard.

3) There's also no rush in firing Dooley. It's hard to believe that an interim coaching situation would win more games than keeping the status quo for the rest of the season. While many fans say this season is over already - going to a bowl game and getting 8 wins is important for offseason training & extra cash for an AD that is hurting financially.

4) In Gruden's case in particular, the last Monday Night Football is December 22nd. I'm not sure what his contract with ESPN is like, but there's a good chance that if he was the guy, it wouldn't be officially announced until after that.

5) Hart's silence on all things Dooley is probably the most damning evidence we have that there will be change. Much like we saw from the Auburn AD last week, all it takes is a newsblast or radio spot to simmer down the fanbase until season's end. As Hart stays silent, and the fanbase gets more rowdy, a scenario with Dooley in 2013 becomes more challenging for the program on many fronts.
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Of course this can all be nullified when your program is in Dire Straits!
 
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FTCvol said:
But, why put off til tomorrow what you can do today?

It's like we're peeling the band aid off, nice and slow, instead of ripping it off in one motion.

Dooley's done, and everyone knows it... Why drag it out? An interim could out-talent the remaining teams on the schedule just as well as Dooley. Hell, if there's one thing we can do, it's beat a less-talented team in spite of our coaching. Shown that time and again.

Good points, though. Tough to disagree with most.
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I'm not sure we can out-talent Missouri and Vandy this year. Both of those games SHOULD BE solid wins, but we've seen a lot of shoulda this year.

From a fan's perspective, the interim situation also looks like it causes quite a bit of turmoil on the recruiting front. I'm not suggesting recruiting is a piece of cake for Dooley right now. But I'd imagine they have a better chance of holding onto recruits now vs. when everyone in the nation knows the staff is out in 2013.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
That's why I've been saying that all of these "insiders" expecting an announcement are full of ****.

4 straight wins will do a lot to simmer down the fanbase too.
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Wins over powerhouses like Troy, Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky aren't going to do anything to swing anybody over to the pro Dooley camp, nor should they.
 
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Stevorino said:
I'm not sure we can out-talent Missouri and Vandy this year. Both of those games SHOULD BE solid wins, but we've seen a lot of shoulda this year.

From a fan's perspective, the interim situation also looks like it causes quite a bit of turmoil on the recruiting front. I'm not suggesting recruiting is a piece of cake for Dooley right now. But I'd imagine they have a better chance of holding onto recruits now vs. when everyone in the nation knows the staff is out in 2013.
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Everyone in the nation already knows there will be a new coaching staff at UT next year. Keeping Dooley longer does not benefit us at all. It's been long enough.
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Stevorino said:
I'm not sure we can out-talent Missouri and Vandy this year. Both of those games SHOULD BE solid wins, but we've seen a lot of shoulda this year.

From a fan's perspective, the interim situation also looks like it causes quite a bit of turmoil on the recruiting front. I'm not suggesting recruiting is a piece of cake for Dooley right now. But I'd imagine they have a better chance of holding onto recruits now vs. when everyone in the nation knows the staff is out in 2013.
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Nobody worth a damn is going to come here and play if we keep going .500 every year. Our main problem is that we are getting out recruited every year. All I want is a coach who can recruit thoroughbreds to come in and kick Alabama's @ss!:rock:
 
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