I really don't mean to sound racist . . . .

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jamesd1628

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. . . . I really dont, but are we actually at a place where the name of our next president could be Barack Hussein Obama? How many times have you heard a person say, "My daddy was a Democrat, he voted Democrat, so that's the way I vote." No thought necessary, but will that logic work if the Democrat's name is BHO? Is fate playing a trick on us? Given the state of the "war on terror" and against whom we're fighting that war, would it be the ultimate irony to have BHO as our next president? Again, I'm not trying to sound racist (thought I'm bracing myself for the onslaught on this board), what the hell is happening?
 
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There are many reasons to not want Obama as President, his middle name isn't one of them.
 
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I don't care what the man name is. I only care what his political views are, and he is a Socialist liberal, that's enough not to get my vote. I really don't care about a persons name myself..
 
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I'm not saying it's all about his name, hence the reservation about being labeled a racist. I also know that the man claims not to be Muslim. But I'm also generally aware of the following:

1. I believe his father was a professed Muslim.

2. I believe that BHO spent a good deal of time being educated in Muslim schools.

3. It is widely believed that the man has a soft spot for some radical middle eastern regimes, evidenced by the fact the he is on record as saying that he intends to meet with these people and, presumaly, try to negotiate with them or appease them in some way.

Some of the foregoing is pulled from my immediate memory, so maybe I'm off on some of the facts, but there does seem to be some undesirable inclinations. Believe, I'm aware of the far left leanings of his politics in general, I'm just amazed that some of the more obvious aspects of his background go completely unspoken. Is this a case of political correctness run wild?
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
You know he's not actually Muslim, right?
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And by the way, this kind of implies that, if he was a Muslim, you might think differently. To be honest, I would feel much better about the guy if he admitted to being a Muslim and took a very strong stance against the radical wing of the Muslim community that is responsible for 9/11 and so many other attacks.
 
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jamesd1628 said:
And by the way, this kind of implies that, if he was a Muslim, you might think differently. To be honest, I would feel much better about the guy if he admitted to being a Muslim and took a very strong stance against the radical wing of the Muslim community that is responsible for 9/11 and so many other attacks.
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No, it would not be different, for me at least, if he were to be Muslim. I also don't want him to be admitting to something he isn't. That doesn't help progress any sort of meaningful agenda. I think he'll take a stance against radical Muslims either way.

I don't care what a President's religion is.

I was just pointing out the common misconception that he's a Muslim. A lof ot people seem to have a problem with him because, based on his middle name, they assume he is.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
No, it would not be different, for me at least, if he were to be Muslim. I also don't want him to be admitting to something he isn't. That doesn't help progress any sort of meaningful agenda. I think he'll take a stance against radical Muslims either way.

I don't care what a President's religion is.

I was just pointing out the common misconception that he's a Muslim. A lof ot people seem to have a problem with him because, based on his middle name, they assume he is.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt he ever takes a stand against radical Muslims.

On the other point, I haven't heard anyone in the media take a stand against him because of his Muslim background, and that includes the serious right-wingers (Rush, Hanity, Levin, etc.). As noted, this could be political correctness run amok. Does anyone have any specific references of anyone criticising BHO because of his Muslim background?
 
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My grandmother is the matriarch of a large Catholic family. All her kids were raised Catholic. Mass every Sunday, Catholic schools, and if my grandparents were paying, Catholic universities. Out of all those kids, only one remains a practicing Catholic. Of the rest, 6 are practicing protestants and one is a Bhuddist.

I don't think it's proper or fair to assume that just because you are raised in a certain religion, there's no chance you'll turn to another once you are emancipated from your parents.

I believe (though I concede that no one can know for sure) that his motive for agreeing to engage in conversation with some of the radical leaders of the world is just a natural progression of his demonstrated political record and methodology. Perhaps he'll have some inside track to the customs and invite a greater deal of respect from the leaders because of his upbringing, but that's not really a bad thing if it will do something to mitigate the violence.
 
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jamesd1628 said:
I hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt he ever takes a stand against radical Muslims.

On the other point, I haven't heard anyone in the media take a stand against him because of his Muslim background, and that includes the serious right-wingers (Rush, Hanity, Levin, etc.). As noted, this could be political correctness run amok. Does anyone have any specific references of anyone criticising BHO because of his Muslim background?
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I wasn't talking about media criticism. Rather, this is just something that has come up in comments on political blogs I read and in conversation with regualr voters.
 
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Some of the foregoing is pulled from my immediate memory, so maybe I'm off on some of the facts, but there does seem to be some undesirable inclinations.

Undesireable inclinationS. I see one inclination you see undesirable -- his willingness to engage in discussions with radical Muslim leaders. Fine. What are the others? And what do they have to do with his name?
 
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VolinArizona said:
Obama went to a Muslim school when he was a KID. He is a baptized Christian.
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I noticed you capitalized KID when letting us know of his religious persuasion while you say he was baptized a Christian. Do you know whether he is a Muslim or a Christian in his heart of hearts? All of America wants to know.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Some of the foregoing is pulled from my immediate memory, so maybe I'm off on some of the facts, but there does seem to be some undesirable inclinations.

Undesireable inclinationS. I see one inclination you see undesirable -- his willingness to engage in discussions with radical Muslim leaders. Fine. What are the others? And what do they have to do with his name?
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Yes, this is highly undesirable. How to discuss anything with someone like Ahmadinejad? The man is a lunatic. Discussing anything with him is a sign of weakness.

But my point is this: Is it unfair to ask BHO questions about his background? The man is potentially about to take on the most important job on the planet, President of the USofA. Is it not fair to ask some questions? Have we become that politically correct?
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I noticed you capitalized KID when letting us know of his religious persuasion while you say he was baptized a Christian. Do you know whether he is a Muslim or a Christian in his heart of hearts? All of America wants to know.
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Nobody knows another person's stances in their heart of hearts, so what's your point?
 
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VolinArizona said:
Obama went to a Muslim school when he was a KID. He is a baptized Christian.
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How often do people shake off the teachings of their childhood? It happens, yes, but not often. What's more likely, that he has been swayed away from the Muslim way, or that he is saying what he thinks he needs to say in a critical political election? There is no way to really know, except to ask the man, and I'm just saying there seems to be a lack of will to ask the man hard questions. Are these questions off limits?
 
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People do it all the effing time. It's unfair to hold something against him that he had no control over. Don't you believe the church he's gone to for a long time would say "Hey, this guy was never baptized here" or something? C'mon.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Nobody knows another person's stances in their heart of hearts, so what's your point?
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The point is that BHO is potentially about to take on the most important job on the planet. We as Americans have a right to know what's in his "heart of hearts." Is it unfair to ask?
 
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YOU CAN NEVER KNOW what's in his heart of hearts. Did you invent some sort of tool to go into his heart and soul and find his truths? It's impossible to ever find the exact truth of what's in someone's heart. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
 
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jamesd1628 said:
The point is that BHO is potentially about to take on the most important job on the planet. We as Americans have a right to know what's in his "heart of hearts." Is it unfair to ask?
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Where are your questions about John McCain's heart of hearts?
 
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VolinArizona said:
YOU CAN NEVER KNOW what's in his heart of hearts. Did you invent some sort of tool to go into his heart and soul and find his truths? It's impossible to ever find the exact truth of what's in someone's heart. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
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Well, I didn't invent it, but how about this: ASK HIM! All I'm saying is that we need to ask the questions. The answers might not be completely honest on their face, but are we forbidden from asking the hard questions?
 
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paging Tiger Den and Millsfield Steve.

As I've said before, there are many other real and substantive reasons to not want Obama to be elected President. Paranoid inferences based on his name and early childhood are ludicrous on their face.

Personally, I think focusing on his name is a convenient way for bigots to cover up their fear of the possibility that a black man has a very good chance of becoming the POTUS.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Where are your questions about John McCain's heart of hearts?
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Well how about this: actions speak louder than words. McCain is a liberal trying to dress up like a conservative. And the right-wingers have grilled him on it consistently - the learly don't like him, and he has been asked many questions on what he really believes.

As for BHO's actions, he has a soft spot for the middle east and is on record as saying he will try to talk to these maniacs. That says something. Can we not even follow up with some questions, let alone a grilling of the man on these points?
 
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MG1968 said:
paging Tiger Den and Millsfield Steve.

As I've said before, there are many other real and substantive reasons to not want Obama to be elected President. Paranoid inferences based on his name and early childhood are ludicrous on their face.

Personally, I think focusing on his name is a convenient way for bigots to cover up their fear of the possibility that a black man has a very good chance of becoming the POTUS.
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Nothing to do with skin color at all. Put Thomas Sowell on the balot and I'll vote for him 100 times out of 100. There are legitimate questions that need to be asked of BHO, that's all I'm saying.
 
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