I lost the locker room over NIL payments last year

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It was not the schools the went to the NIL, the States implemented law to force the colleges to stop. imo, and I said long ago, the best way to handle it was to use the indictment process with the State and criminally indict although that would be very political in nature.



It can solve some issues but it creates more issues in this context than it solves. (see prior posts) The reason you don't see the colleges being very vocal about any of it, is what you are suggesting would ruin the gravy train, really doesn't solve most of the issues you think it does and open them up further for liability.



They can already do that. They will disagree with you for obvious reasons.

You are having a disagreement with the schools, I would generally agree with the schools - the money making business doesn't get any better than free labor. There is no business model that exists that can get more than what they are doing now, you can't beat free labor, what negative labor?

As we agree, free labor is not legal. Alston handled that and NIL replacing bag men was the immediate result.

The elite schools (or states at the behest of the schools) have been involved in most of the NCAA lawsuits which have caused NIL to be wide open and transfers to be unlimited, so it's difficult to say the elite schools don't like NIL or open transfers.

Granted, as now the schools instead of donors are going to end up paying some, if not most, of a player's NIL they may like it less but they had to see this coming.

Schools SHOULD have the liability for their business practices. They've used the NCAA for years as cover for what we agree was illegal but once payments started to emerge from the darkness, the schools turned on the NCAA with numerous lawsuits, many TN joined essentially on behalf of UT.

Though you hate it, Danny White and Donde Plowman ARE suggesting collective bargaining as the best solution. They're in a better position to know what's going on, they have financial skin in the game of UT's success, and they are respected for how they've dealt with the NCAA in our battles with NIL and NCAA investigations. I trust their judgement.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

what "huge" amount of talent did Ohio State bring in? they brought in some guys, but most of their money was spent on keeping their team. I think their transer class was 9 guys and only like 4 started, so I wouldn't call it huge.

One year, especially just the most recent, does not a trend make. especially when it comes to Ohio State here. they have always been a blue blood, them winning a National Title, is not a sign of change.

the transfer portal is going to keep things in some form of parity. even if Texas spent a billion dollars on their roster every year they wouldn't be able to play everyone, and not everyone would want to sit around and wait. its not like Texas spending more money means that UT has NO money. getting that starting job and playing to impress the NFL is still going to matter to these guys.

I also still believe the crazy money in CFB will dry up in a few years on its own. even if Texas had a billion dollars to spend one year, they won't always have a billion dollars to spend every year. especially if they aren't getting the results the money dries up.

your argument against Oregon shows that you were already accepting the blue bloods buying championships before NIL. yeah it was done behind closed doors, but it was still there.

It's not that Ohio State bought talent this year. Schools like GA, Bama, and Ohio State have been recruiting via NIL and bag money for years and years at a high level and still do. Sure, they have the same renegotiating issues but they HAVE the players already and always to negotiate with.

The portal has helped but money is the driving force there also. I daresay TX and Ohio State can make offers repeatedly many schools can't match and while you might not play immediately, you very well might wear a ring.

Being able to buy talented recruiting classes for years AND being able to fill holes with the portal via a boatload of money AND being in the hunt more years than not for a ring is what Bama and GA and Ohio State are offering and have offered well before NIL.

Money didn't dry up at TX despite not "being back" until now. Oil money, like Nike money, is just different. They're willing to burn money for a decade for that one Natty year.

 

[LSU-SIU]

NIL replacing bag men was the immediate result.

The NIL was in place before the Supreme Court even took on that case, it really doesn't have anything to do with it - although that is how some of the states decided to handle it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Though you hate it, Danny White and Donde Plowman ARE suggesting collective bargaining as the best solution. They're in a better position to know what's going on, they have financial skin in the game of UT's success, and they are respected for how they've dealt with the NCAA in our battles with NIL and NCAA investigations. I trust their judgement.

They are just two people in a group of 1,000s if not 10,000s. There simply is no magic here. Everything other than the present model will result in greatly reduced money, and financial liabilities will have only started. Danny White isn't here. I trust Jesus, but he isn't here to discuss either.

Hey, I'm sure someone could explain to us all how robbing banks is a great solution to one's money problems, just focus in on the positives and ignore the negatives from such a model.

There simply is no magic here.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NIL was in place before the Supreme Court even took on that case, it really doesn't have anything to do with it - although that is how some of the states decided to handle it.

The NCAA was denying NIL to players prior to Alston and it allowed the bag men payments to come out of the shadows and allowed the market for players to flourish.

And yes, Alston was about educational benefits for students which the NCAA also limited but the implication was they'd lose NIL so they caved.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They are just two people in a group of 1,000s if not 10,000s. There simply is no magic here. Everything other than the present model will result in greatly reduced money, and financial liabilities will have only started. Danny White isn't here. I trust Jesus, but he isn't here to discuss either.

Hey, I'm sure someone could explain to us all how robbing banks is a great solution to one's money problems, just focus in on the positives and ignore the negatives from such a model.

There simply is no magic here.

I never said the pro model is a "magic bullet" but rather the efficient evolution of for elite college sports programs.

I'm unsure why you think I think it's magic. I don't. I think it's the logical next step in the process.

 

[Delmar]

It's not that Ohio State bought talent this year. Schools like GA, Bama, and Ohio State have been recruiting via NIL and bag money for years and years at a high level and still do. Sure, they have the same renegotiating issues but they HAVE the players already and always to negotiate with.

The portal has helped but money is the driving force there also. I daresay TX and Ohio State can make offers repeatedly many schools can't match and while you might not play immediately, you very well might wear a ring.

Being able to buy talented recruiting classes for years AND being able to fill holes with the portal via a boatload of money AND being in the hunt more years than not for a ring is what Bama and GA and Ohio State are offering and have offered well before NIL.

Money didn't dry up at TX despite not "being back" until now. Oil money, like Nike money, is just different. They're willing to burn money for a decade for that one Natty year.

Didn’t Ohio State have the highest NIL payroll in the country last year? $24 million, wasn’t it? Looks like they spent a lot to me not just on new players but keeping old players.

And I agree with you. If anybody thinks Texas and Texas A&M can’t outspend everybody, they haven’t been paying attention. Those schools are literally dripping with oil money.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The NCAA was denying NIL to players prior to Alston and it allowed the bag men payments to come out of the shadows and allowed the market for players to flourish.

And yes, Alston was about educational benefits for students which the NCAA also limited but the implication was they'd lose NIL so they caved.

The NCAA wasn't deny anything the players were signing contracts, it had nothing to do with what the NCAA wanted.

They did not cave, they lost but that has nothing to do with the NIL. The States just approached it in a different manner, the NCAA and the schools didn't want it, nor did they go along with the plan - the States basically told them to STFU.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I never said the pro model is a "magic bullet" but rather the efficient evolution of for elite college sports programs.

I'm unsure why you think I think it's magic. I don't. I think it's the logical next step in the process.

As mentioned, its hard to foresee how it solves any real issue you might have and will create plenty of new ones. I'm actually all for it as it will produce even more chaos, at least the way you are implying. I'm actually for it for the opposite reasons you are for it i.e. more chaos.

 

[adam.vol]

It should be up to each state on whether they want to compensate student athletes..