I like Dooley. I want him to succeed. But I don't believe he will.

#126
#126
Squoshua17 said:
Justin Hunter, James Stone, Raijon Neal, Eddrick Loften.... Let's not forget that between Dooley and Thompson, there are 3 "recruiter of the year" awards in Knoxville right now....
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all Kiffin recruits ...Stone was upset because he was not offered and was a 3rd choice for the last regime . Hunter came when it became apparent that two other receivers were not , also a Kiffin recruit . Lofton ...when Dixon jumped ship . Neal rumored to be a silent to Kiffin .

Not to discredit Dooly at all , he did a remarkable job ...but lets keep it real . We were headed for a whopper of a class . Lets hope Dooley can bring us a whopper in 11.
 
#128
#128
bleedorange0037 said:
The detail that you fail to point out is that Kiffin's 2010 class was rated 6th, and going higher once signing day came. If you seriously think DD is a better recruiter than the Kiffin/Orgeron team we had last year, you are certainly entitled to you opinion, but I'll have to say you've lost your mind.
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i pointed out that detail. perhaps you overlooked it. CPF's class was also ranked #6 when CLK took over -- does CPF therefore get the credit for CLK's class?

the "going higher" is pure speculation -- one could just as well argue that CPF's class was "going higher" and CLK derailed it, or that CLK would have had last minute decommits and "gone lower." we'll never know.

CLK is clearly a great salesman. he has landed 3 HC jobs without substantive evidence that he can be a successful HC (although he did show some promise at UT). but if you seriously think, based on the very limited evidence that we have available, that CLK is a great coach and recruiter while CDD is a mediocre coach and recruiter ... i'll have to say that while you are certainly entitled to your opinion you didn't have a mind to start with.
 
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#129
tm3 said:
i pointed out that detail. perhaps you overlooked it. CPF's class was also ranked #6 when CLK took over -- does CPF therefore get the credit for CLK's class?

the "going higher" is pure speculation -- one could just as well argue that CPF's class was "going higher" and CLK derailed it, or that CLK would have had last minute decommits and "gone lower." we'll never know.

CLK is clearly a great salesman. he has landed 3 HC jobs without substantive evidence that he can be a successful HC (although he did show some promise at UT). but if you seriously think, based on the very limited evidence that we have available, that CLK is a great coach and recruiter while CDD is a mediocre coach and recruiter ... i'll have to say that while you are certainly entitled to your opinion you didn't have a mind to start with.
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Honestly the recruting genius, and true loss from the prior staff lay more with Orgeron than Kiffin, but it seems you can't have one without the other. Neither LK or DD have proven to be world class recruiters in their own right, but have succeeded when they had a big time HC name to go off. Orgeron on the other hand proved in his 3 years at Ole Miss, that he could make it happen without a big time HC in the background. He may have failed in almost every other respect as a HC, but the team he put together at Ole Miss makes it difficult to dispute his recruiting talent.
 
#130
#130
A 6 year deal doesn't mean MH thinks it will take 6 yrs lol. We've had two "top10" classes in a row, that will continue and IFF he can coach well begin to exchange wins with the elite again. Trust me when I say that DD knows he doesn't have 6 years to win 9-10 a couple times. And most importantly, say your right and we get impatient; we don't do the hiring/firing. Fulmer would have been out in 04 if this were the case.
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#131
#131
majic73 said:
all Kiffin recruits ...Stone was upset because he was not offered and was a 3rd choice for the last regime . Hunter came when it became apparent that two other receivers were not , also a Kiffin recruit . Lofton ...when Dixon jumped ship . Neal rumored to be a silent to Kiffin .

Not to discredit Dooly at all , he did a remarkable job ...but lets keep it real . We were headed for a whopper of a class . Lets hope Dooley can bring us a whopper in 11.
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Ok and?
The only thing that matters in this discussion is that both were the UT coach during the process and both got guys committed. End of story.
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#132
#132
duckhook said:
why? Because the tennessee nation won't give him time to. Most reasonable fans would expect ut to go somewhere around 6-6 or 7-5 this fall. This will create an extremely important year 2 in 2011, but the talent deficiency will be nowhere near addressed, especially along both lines, and ut will once again struggle with a ridiculous consecutive slate beginning on sept 10:

Cincy
unc
florida
uga
lsu
bama
carolina

predict victories in this stretch all you want, but the reality is ut will be out-talented by at least 5 of these squads, and will be lucky to go 4-3. There is little chance much will change by then, and ut will most likely find themselves around the .500 mark again. Of course, a storm of expectations for year 3 under dooley, particularly if florida and bama continue to have ultra success like they most likely will. Fans will become impatient, and demand significant improvement in 2012. The florida game at home that fall will be elevated to epic status, and will be a must-win game for dd. Lose that one, and the following bama visit becomes the next epic....win or he will probably be gone. Both are at home and will certainly be winnable by then, but i hate that it will come down to that....and make no mistake, if the rest of the above occurs for the most part, it will come down to that.

I personally think dooley will do his job well. The program will improve, kids will act right, results will improve gradually...but the talent will remain below the elite level. If given 5-6 years, i believe he would bring the vols back to the top of the sec. But, it's hard to blame the fanbase when you consider what it has suffered through already since 2005. It would be hard to sit and wait with 3 more mediocre/disapointing seasons on top of it. This reminds me so much of a shula or zook scenario, it's incredible. No, the tea leaves don't read too well on this one, in my opinion, mostly due to what will occur on the field over the next 2 seasons. 2012 will bring about the drumbeat for big success or change....and i don't expect it to turn out well. Flame away and throw stones at me all you want, but do me a favor....remember this post when dooley is right around .500 overall after 2 years and 2012 is setting up as a make-or-break season for him.

Best of luck to coach dooley. Around here for the next few years, he's probably gonna need it.
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#133
#133
bleedorange0037 said:
But other than the kid who left for LSU on signing day, whose name now escapes me, who else was Kiffin going to get at DT? In all fairness, while I did say Kiffin was going to bring in a higher rated class than DD, we were still likely going to be thin at DT this coming season.
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We will get good DT's, UT has a strong reputation for putting them in the league.
 
#134
#134
Vols033 said:
We will have some troubling years ahead of us for sure. We just need to stick behind our coach and our team when times get tough instead of selling our tickets to Bama fans. What's more sickening than 5-7, going to Neyland and seeing crimson over half the stadium. If they drive up here, leave them standing in the cold outside.
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And talk down to them too! This is our house.
 
#136
#136
Dooley is more mature and has a better grip on the players than Kiffin did.

I mean lets face Kiffin was a good recruiter and coordinator. He is NOT a good head coach.

I hope he fails miserably at SC.
 
#137
#137
bluetick2 said:
Also the two toughest games of the year for us, by far, was Ole Miss and Va Tech. Not Bama and the Gators.
Check out Va Tech's recruiting. It isnt stars It is character, discipline, toughness, and great coaching.
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If we could only play VT schedule every year.
Very soft, as is the ACC!
 
#138
#138
crimsontidecasey said:
Dooley is more mature and has a better grip on the players than Kiffin did.

I mean lets face Kiffin was a good recruiter and coordinator. He is NOT a good head coach.

I hope he fails miserably at SC.
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I hope he fails too. IMO, he deserves it. Not because he left but because of the way he left and the timing.

That said, CLK DID have a grip on the players. You could contend that much of what he did was manipulation and lies... but UT played disciplined last fall and had discipline off the field for the most part too. When trouble did come, it was handled very well.

I'm not getting my hopes up that he will fail miserably at USC... unless it has to do with recruiting violations or something not football related.
 
#139
#139
Duckhook said:
Why? Because the Tennessee nation won't give him time to. Most reasonable fans would expect UT to go somewhere around 6-6 or 7-5 this fall. This will create an extremely important year 2 in 2011, but the talent deficiency will be nowhere near addressed, especially along both lines, and UT will once again struggle with a ridiculous consecutive slate beginning on Sept 10:

Cincy
UNC
Florida
UGA
LSU
Bama
Carolina

Predict victories in this stretch all you want, but the reality is UT will be out-talented by at least 5 of these squads, and will be lucky to go 4-3. There is little chance much will change by then, and UT will most likely find themselves around the .500 mark again. Of course, a storm of expectations for year 3 under Dooley, particularly if Florida and Bama continue to have ultra success like they most likely will. Fans will become impatient, and demand significant improvement in 2012. The Florida game at home that fall will be elevated to epic status, and will be a must-win game for DD. Lose that one, and the following Bama visit becomes the next epic....win or he will probably be gone. Both are at home and will certainly be winnable by then, but I hate that it will come down to that....and make no mistake, if the rest of the above occurs for the most part, it will come down to that.

I personally think Dooley will do his job well. The program will improve, kids will act right, results will improve gradually...but the talent will remain below the elite level. If given 5-6 years, I believe he would bring the Vols back to the top of the SEC. But, it's hard to blame the fanbase when you consider what it has suffered through already since 2005. It would be hard to sit and wait with 3 more mediocre/disapointing seasons on top of it. This reminds me so much of a Shula or Zook scenario, it's incredible. No, the tea leaves don't read too well on this one, in my opinion, mostly due to what will occur on the field over the next 2 seasons. 2012 will bring about the drumbeat for big success or change....and I don't expect it to turn out well. Flame away and throw stones at me all you want, but do me a favor....remember this post when Dooley is right around .500 overall after 2 years and 2012 is setting up as a make-or-break season for him.

Best of luck to Coach Dooley. Around here for the next few years, he's probably gonna need it.
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I've looked back through your posts. You don't strike me as a Vol fan...at all.

While others may, and have (in swarms) chosen to respond to you, I choose to put you where you so clearly belong.

Welcome to my Ignore List. Tell lawgator and ksusha I said "hi".

Go Vols.
 
#140
#140
GreyWolf1129 said:
I've looked back through your posts. You don't strike me as a Vol fan...at all.

While others may, and have (in swarms) chosen to respond to you, I choose to put you where you so clearly belong.

Welcome to my Ignore List. Tell lawgator and ksusha I said "hi".

Go Vols.
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I wish that dandy 'Thanks' button was still around.
 
#141
#141
Originally Posted by CountVolcula:

Dooley has 100 times the advantage in resources he had at LaTech and the traditions of UT to boot. Give the guy a chance.
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I agree.

What a lot of people still don't realize is that La Tech was coming off a 2-10 season before Dooley arrived. In his first season there, they went 5-7. Then, the next season, they go 8-5 and go to a bowl game for the first time in 30 years. Think about that for a second. For the first time in 30 years! And, he gets them there in only his 2nd season. Not to mention by then he was the school's AD too.

And last season, apparently the team was plagued with injuries and at a school like that, with that kind of talent (or lack thereof) you can't expect to compete like you would want to.

At UT, Dooley has all the resources he needs to succeed. Just like he did at LSU with Nick Saban. He has the financial backing, the coaches, the players, the tradition and "name" of the school. I think he will surprise a lot of people and it will be a lot sooner than what his doubters are predicting.

Go Vols!
 
#142
#142
Duckhook said:
Why? Because the Tennessee nation won't give him time to. Most reasonable fans would expect UT to go somewhere around 6-6 or 7-5 this fall. This will create an extremely important year 2 in 2011, but the talent deficiency will be nowhere near addressed, especially along both lines, and UT will once again struggle with a ridiculous consecutive slate beginning on Sept 10:

Cincy
UNC
Florida
UGA
LSU
Bama
Carolina

Predict victories in this stretch all you want, but the reality is UT will be out-talented by at least 5 of these squads, and will be lucky to go 4-3. There is little chance much will change by then, and UT will most likely find themselves around the .500 mark again. Of course, a storm of expectations for year 3 under Dooley, particularly if Florida and Bama continue to have ultra success like they most likely will. Fans will become impatient, and demand significant improvement in 2012. The Florida game at home that fall will be elevated to epic status, and will be a must-win game for DD. Lose that one, and the following Bama visit becomes the next epic....win or he will probably be gone. Both are at home and will certainly be winnable by then, but I hate that it will come down to that....and make no mistake, if the rest of the above occurs for the most part, it will come down to that.

I personally think Dooley will do his job well. The program will improve, kids will act right, results will improve gradually...but the talent will remain below the elite level. If given 5-6 years, I believe he would bring the Vols back to the top of the SEC. But, it's hard to blame the fanbase when you consider what it has suffered through already since 2005. It would be hard to sit and wait with 3 more mediocre/disapointing seasons on top of it. This reminds me so much of a Shula or Zook scenario, it's incredible. No, the tea leaves don't read too well on this one, in my opinion, mostly due to what will occur on the field over the next 2 seasons. 2012 will bring about the drumbeat for big success or change....and I don't expect it to turn out well. Flame away and throw stones at me all you want, but do me a favor....remember this post when Dooley is right around .500 overall after 2 years and 2012 is setting up as a make-or-break season for him.

Best of luck to Coach Dooley. Around here for the next few years, he's probably gonna need it.
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I am anxious to hear which five teams that will have better talent than UT.
 
#143
#143
Athlete269 said:
I agree.

What a lot of people still don't realize is that La Tech was coming off a 2-10 season before Dooley arrived. In his first season there, they went 5-7. Then, the next season, they go 8-5 and go to a bowl game for the first time in 30 years. Think about that for a second. For the first time in 30 years! And, he gets them there in only his 2nd season. Not to mention by then he was the school's AD too.

And last season, apparently the team was plagued with injuries and at a school like that, with that kind of talent (or lack thereof) you can't expect to compete like you would want to.

At UT, Dooley has all the resources he needs to succeed. Just like he did at LSU with Nick Saban. He has the financial backing, the coaches, the players, the tradition and "name" of the school. I think he will surprise a lot of people and it will be a lot sooner than what his doubters are predicting.

Go Vols!
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100% right. People are struggling with this line of reasoning and I can't understand why.
 
#144
#144
I don't understand how people think we have to have a better recruiting class to beat people like florida and bama. It does theoretically make it tougher to beat them but i don't see it as a must have to beat them. We will continue to be competitive among the elite teams. I know it's the offseason but too many people seem to be giving Dooley the axe already. I for one choose to let the play speak for the coaches and am glad i'm not hearing someone just tell everyone that we're getting better. Sit back and let the man do his job.
 
#145
#145
Dooley should get at least 3 years before he's on the hot seat, due to the terrible shape of the roster when he came in.
 
#146
#146
VolsRule said:
Dooley should get at least 3 years before he's on the hot seat, due to the terrible shape of the roster when he came in.
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If he's been bad for 3 years, he should be fired. If by that point, we don't appear to be making any progress, why waste another year?
 
#147
#147
tvolsfan said:
If he's been bad for 3 years, he should be fired. If by that point, we don't appear to be making any progress, why waste another year?
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I will give him 4 of his own recruiting classes before I make a judgment. That's the only fair way to do it. If he's not making progress by then, go ahead and fire up the old search mobile again.
 
#148
#148
We should see it long before 3 years much less 4. It won't necessarily show up in W/L in 2010 and 2011. However we should see progress in player development and competitiveness.

It won't take long at all to see if these guys can game plan, play call, make adjustments, or coach players up.
 
#150
#150
Athlete269 said:
What a lot of people still don't realize is that La Tech was coming off a 2-10 season before Dooley arrived. In his first season there, they went 5-7. Then, the next season, they go 8-5 and go to a bowl game for the first time in 30 years. Think about that for a second. For the first time in 30 years! And, he gets them there in only his 2nd season. Not to mention by then he was the school's AD too.
Go Vols!
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Just to add, LaTech was 2-10 before CDD and ONE win away from a bowl his FIRST year there. Plus Im sure being the AD hurt his time with the football program last year.

He played WAC talent, with WAC talent. He isnt playing SEC talent with WAC talent
 
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