I know. Another qb thread. But I have a question for VN.

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1vol8 said:
Salter is definitely talented but imo if Pruitt does what he needs to do this year I feel our only options are the 4 we have now. And if whoever he goes with is showing improvement by year end he’d be stupid for hitting the reset button in ‘21. Salter will be 1-2 years behind.
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Yeah but we wouldn't need to hit the reset necessarily.

Not saying we would start Salter next year. Just need him to round out what would hopefully end up being a very good group of QB's.
 
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HB...but he's going to need a couple of years to watch from the bench and learn our super duper offensive system before we can risk him in a game.
 
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roll the dice and get HB and Maurer in the upcoming games - give them plenty of snaps and experience, its not like the Vols
have a run at winning the East title much less the SEC title or National title, maybe Vandy and Arkansas will be good games
DustyRockSolid said:
First choice is Bailey. 2nd choice would be Maurer.
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1vol8 said:
Let’s hypothetically speak that all of the qbs can be fully developed, because they CAN if Pruitt chose to. My question is this:

Assuming YOU had your choice of the 4, which one would it be if/when he was fully developed? Please explain why with your pick.

JG
BM
JTS
HB


Just curious.

EDIT: If rank is all you know please refer to HS highlights for HB, BM or JTS since we’ve gotten such a small sample of the 3. That was the last time they were fully developed within their respective systems.
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I don’t think Pruitt is choosing not to develop his QBs.
 
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1vol8 said:
Let’s hypothetically speak that all of the qbs can be fully developed, because they CAN if Pruitt chose to. .
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I can't answer the question. I do not believe this premise to be true. Everyone has a ceiling.

So to answer the question... it would have to be a combination of what I believed a guy's ceiling was coupled with the time left for a return on investment.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
I don’t think Pruitt is choosing not to develop his QBs.
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He has made choices that has resulted in some of his QB's not developing as much as they might have. It was a a choice he had to make when Chaney arrived. Either he had to try to "fix" JG or else he had to start over with Maurer or Shrout.

We cannot really know where the program would be right now if the time and resources poured into JG leading up to the '19 season had been poured into one of the others instead. All that we can really know is that the investment in JG has not worked out.
 
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Harrison Bailey. Although, if they were all developed, CJP would still go with JG.
 
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sjt18 said:
I can't answer the question. I do not believe this premise to be true. Everyone has a ceiling.

So to answer the question... it would have to be a combination of what I believed a guy's ceiling was coupled with the time left for a return on investment.
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Thats kind of the point. Opinions of ceilings are just that. Opinions. No one knows anyone’s ceiling including coaches with young players. By choosing to ignore those young players at the most important position in all of sports in favor of someone that’s clearly hit his dumbfounds me. We can only speculate on what we see out of all 3 of the younger guys.
 
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1vol8 said:
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Thats kind of the point. Opinions of ceilings are just that. Opinions. No one knows anyone’s ceiling including coaches with young players. By choosing to ignore those young players at the most important position in all of sports in favor of someone that’s clearly hit his dumbfounds me. We can only speculate on what we see out of all 3 of the younger guys.
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Have to disagree again. You may not be able to say this guy's ceiling is 96 and that one is 92. But you can definitely quantify some attributes that play into a guy's potential. You can say "this guy's a 90 something, that guy's a 70 something".

For instance, I feel pretty comfortable saying that Maurer has a higher ceiling than JG or Shrout. There are people who will have an emotional spasm over that statement... but I believe it can be qualified and quantified in terms of things the three can and cannot do.

So... if we were talking in terms of potential and time... I would answer your question (as I've begun to do in these "who should play" thread)... I would say you work Maurer and Bailey until one shows they have a greater potential than the other. I just don't think you can answer the question without considering each guys' ceiling.
 
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sjt18 said:
He has made choices that has resulted in some of his QB's not developing as much as they might have. It was a a choice he had to make when Chaney arrived. Either he had to try to "fix" JG or else he had to start over with Maurer or Shrout.

We cannot really know where the program would be right now if the time and resources poured into JG leading up to the '19 season had been poured into one of the others instead. All that we can really know is that the investment in JG has not worked out.
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I think a good bit was poured into JT and BM last year and it was within reason. Made sense to go with JG if all you had was Maurer and JT.

I have to think we really needed someone better than Shrout to come in Pruitts first year. A non grad transfer or a highly touted guy.

Not sure why we missed out on Penix and Martinez, but its rather obvious they turned out better than JG. Wouldve been a game changer to have had either one of those guys.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
I think a good bit was poured into JT and BM last year and it was within reason. Made sense to go with JG if all you had was Maurer and JT.
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I have always said that it was a reasonable calculation that didn't work out. In retrospect, I think they should have poured all those reps and energy into one of the others... probably Maurer.

I have to think we really needed someone better than Shrout to come in Pruitts first year. A non grad transfer or a highly touted guy.
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They tried, remember?

Not sure why we missed out on Penix and Martinez, but its rather obvious they turned out better than JG. Wouldve been a game changer to have had either one of those guys.
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Maybe. Hard to really know for certain. I thought Penix was a Jones whiff?
 
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k-town_king said:
BS

He isn't faster than Cam Newton and Josh Allen.


That is because it isn't true.


Please link that and where and how it was timed.
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He looked extremely fast on the run against Alabama. I’m going to start looking for data.

Found it. Rivals-Volquest June 2018. 4.5 timed in Columbia after a passing workout for UT coaches.
Go to Google type in “Brian Maurer 40”. It is the first article that comes up. The BS is right back at ya.
 
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sjt18 said:
I have always said that it was a reasonable calculation that didn't work out. In retrospect, I think they should have poured all those reps and energy into one of the others... probably Maurer.

They tried, remember?


Maybe. Hard to really know for certain. I thought Penix was a Jones whiff?
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I'd have to agree on throwing all the chips behind Maurer last year.

I dont remember anybody in Pruitts first year. I was traumatized by Butch and distanced myself from closely following the vols around that time.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
I'd have to agree on throwing all the chips behind Maurer last year.

I dont remember anybody in Pruitts first year. I was traumatized by Butch and distanced myself from closely following the vols around that time.
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Same here, I stepped back for a few games after watching Dormandy and JG fail at even pretending to be decent Qb’s early in the 2017 season. Joined VN soon after Butch was fired and my life has been enriched ever since then. 😜

The only problem is I’m still waiting on a decent Qb.
It’s been 3 years now. Unbelievable.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He looked extremely fast on the run against Alabama. I’m going to start looking for data.

Found it. Rivals-Volquest June 2018. 4.5 timed in Columbia after a passing workout for UT coaches.
Go to Google type in “Brian Maurer 40”. It is the first article that comes up. The BS is right back at ya.
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He hates Maurer. He will NEVER admit he has talent or that he's done anything good. He has consistently claimed that Maurer's TD to MC vs UGA was "underthrown".

No matter what proof you post... he will persist that Maurer isn't very fast at all.
 
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Remy said:
Kirby did start the favorite in his first game and benched him after the first half for being ineffective. In comes the 4th string guy and the rest is history. CJP keeps trotting out JG in losing efforts he contributes mightily to IMO.
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J.T. Daniels is a five star sitting on the bench. Justin Fields was a five star that sit on the bench. Haven’t seen Mathis since Arky. What is Smart doing playing a walk-on that is five foot eight?
 
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If I was Smart, I would throw Danielson in against Kentucky. If I’m Pruitt, I would throw HB in against Arky. Oh well, what do you have to lose?
 
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