I hope...

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dsbyrd said:
I would too. I just think you can make it better without booing players or even coaches, and without engaging in ad hominem attacks either against the coaches, players, or even the people on this board.
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Don't try to reason with them. They don't understand fans who want change but aren't willing completely bash the program and players to bring it about. They don't understand the "grey area" that most of us fans are in because they're too worried about being right about UT's and Fulmer's downfall. I almost think that people like Hat enjoy this.
 
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i don't care if the coaches/fans/players sit in a circle and sing kumbaya with each other at this point.

bottom line for me is we are simply getting more of the same from this coaching staff. if you're tired of it as well, does it matter how you react to it? you want to boo, boo. if you want to flame on a message board, have at it.

the one thing though that has yet to change is Phil Fulmer. there's still a certain state of denial he's in when it comes to this program and it's current status in the league and/or nationally.

the mantra of "we're just one or two plays away" or "that's not us" implies that the belief is that we're just not that far away from greatness again.

there's doesn't seem to be an ability to take an honest look at this program and simply be able to tell it like it is. Teams that are close don't lose to awful UCLA teams in the manner we did. TEams that are close don't turn the ball over twice on the opponents 1 yard line. TEams that are close don't have Sr. Running backs fumble inside the ten or cost the team penalties. Teams that are close don't lead the league penalties per game. Teams that are close don't manage to foul up special teams so badly that you now have to factor in at least 1 score for the opponent as a result of your mis haps.

you see, it's not just the losing. it's the emphatic nature of our losing that should have everyone, especially Phil Fulmer, screaming. Problem is, we've already had this season........3 years ago. it's happening again. so i have to ask, what did we really learn back then? apparently that Cutcliffe is indeed the magic man. he's what makes it go.

it's the inherent lack of or unwillingness to have any insight as to a)what's REALLy wrong and b) how do we REALLY fix it, that should have all of us up in arms.

for some, you've realized this for a while. Others, it became apparent some time in the last 3 1/2 years. Still others, the epiphony occurred Saturday evening. None of that removes the fact that it still isn't changing. Nor is it going to any time soon.

either way, i'm just tired.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You supported Fulmer and tried to pass off Doug Dickey as something other than a self interested piece of trash. That's all I need to form an opinion of you.
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I don't and have never liked Dickey so you are wrong on that. You were wrong when you thought I was defending DD in another post when I pointed out that he was what he was, an ego maniac and would have NEVER allowed CPF or any other asst coach to dictate to him. If you knew or know Dickey at all you know that is a FACT. I am a supporter of UT and when a coach leads our team to a national title after all the years of seeing us not have one, I will give him a chance.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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VolBeef88 said:
And there are the Al Davis' of the world who cant hire good people anymore. There are TONS of businesses out there that do exactly the same. I think you give staff members who have done well the opportunity to correct things. CPF was the coach when the team won a national title and 2 SEC titles. He has earned the right to correct things.
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the right to correct things could be forever, which it is starting to appear to be.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't and have never liked Dickey so you are wrong on that. You were wrong when you thoought I was defending DD in another post when I pointed out that he was what he was, an ego maniac and would have NEVER allowed CPF or any other asst coach to dictate to him. If you knew or know Dickey at all you know that is a FACT. I am a supporter of UT and when a coach leads our team to a national title after all the years of seeing us not have one, I will give him a chance.
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2006 was his 2nd Chance to "right the ship", and 2007 was his 3rd Chance. This will be his 4th Chance. Simply put, the man has had AMPLE opportunity to "right the ship", and he wouldn't get so many chances at any other major school... much less a school like UT.

Before that he was just on cruise-control (stay the course)... perfectly content to trade in SEC titles for SECE titles, and BCS bowl wins for a losing non-BCS record.
 
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dsbyrd said:
I agree. For heaven's sake, the economy is in the tank, there are wars going on, people are getting put out of their houses . . . I love college football as much as the next guy but let's keep things in perspective.

I can't hardly stand to read this board any longer. I am terribly disappointed in the team's performance but it's just silly to stomp your feet and hold your breath like a child denied a cookie.

I have season tickets but am lucky enough not to have to donate. I do invest several hundred dollars in extra expenses each time I make a trip to the Hill from Memphis. But I don't feel like that gives me the right to act like a jerk and treat the players and coaches as if I own them and they are my indentured servants.

I had a fun day Saturday, spent some wonderful time with my kids before and after the game. Yes, the game was a bummer but I went and had a nice dinner afterward and was unscathed except for a small blister from all the walking.

Many of the players on the other hand are beat up and bruised, and I bet some of them are in whirlpools right now nursing sprains and other injuries. Their coaches have to have serious concerns about job security at this point. So, I'm sorry if they all let some of you down. But I refuse to boo them. That's not how my dad brought me up as a football fan.
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Don't take offense at this, but you don't sound like a real serious football fan. I envy the serenity of the events surrounding your football experience, but I really can't relate to being so laissez faire about losing in such a humiliating manner. I must go to my wife's yoga classes I guess. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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hatvol96 said:
Don't throw facts at the Eat, Sit, and Watch The Band Crowd. They are what they are.
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sadly, that'll be the only real thing to do by the time i get up there for the MSU game.
 
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This should in no way whatsoever be taken as a prediction but there is a real danger in getting too far ahead on this for the "hang Fulmer" crowd. If by hook, crook or Fulmer-dancing-with-dead-chickens voodoo this team runs the table Fulmer will not only be given credit for merely winning the games but likely lionized for "turning things around". It's the risk of demonizing too early that if the subject succeeds they are often canonized for it.

If you really want Fulmer gone because you think he sucks let him have the rope for his own hanging. If you're right it's not like he's going to disappoint you.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the right to correct things could be forever, which it is starting to appear to be.
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I didnt say that and never have. I have stated before that after the 05 season as long as the team showed improvement. 06 and 07 were as evidenced by the teams record.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Don't throw facts at the Eat, Sit, and Watch The Band Crowd. They are what they are.
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I continue to forget how to deal with those who do not have their head stuck in the sand. Thanks for the reminder.
 
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jakez4ut said:
sadly, that'll be the only real thing to do by the time i get up there for the MSU game.
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Let me know when you're coming in. Weaver, Burnett, et al are planning a party for that weekend.
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billbattle said:
Don't take offense at this, but you don't sound like a real serious football fan. I envy the serenity of the events surrounding your football experience, but I really can't relate to being so laissez faire about losing in such a humiliating manner. I must go to my wife's yoga classes I guess. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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I can't relate to booing our players and coaches. I can't relate to the drunk 20 something near our tailgate spot who was yelling "F--k Florida" at every passing Florida fan in front of my 7 year old. (I can relate to being drunk and 20 something, just not the rest.)

I was terribly disappointed in the game, but different fans handle it different ways.
 
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hndog609 said:
This should in no way whatsoever be taken as a prediction but there is a real danger in getting too far ahead on this for the "hang Fulmer" crowd. If by hook, crook or Fulmer-dancing-with-dead-chickens voodoo this team runs the table Fulmer will not only be given credit for merely winning the games but likely lionized for "turning things around". It's the risk of demonizing too early that if the subject succeeds they are often canonized for it.

If you really want Fulmer gone because you think he sucks let him have the rope for his own hanging. If you're right it's not like he's going to disappoint you.
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it's a fine line.......i can't root for them to lose. just can't. but i know if we pull out some miracles then it will be construed as what you describe.

honestly though, if this team performs as it has shown to perform, then they aren't capable of those late season heroics. much less against teams like GA an Auburn and Alabama. i would think at this point, for any of those teams to lose to Tennessee, it should be considered a bad loss.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Let me know when you're coming in. Weaver, Burnett, et al are planning a party for that weekend.
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ah, that sounds promising....sounds like old times...i'll pm you the week of the game.
 
#72
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gainesvol82 said:
Then way do you take every opportunity to play the "I told you so" game? You skew any support for UT or Fulmer into support for mediocrity.
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Support for Fulmer is now support for mediocrity. A sad, but true, fact.
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#73
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VolBeef88 said:
I didnt say that and never have. I have stated before that after the 05 season as long as the team showed improvement. 06 and 07 were as evidenced by the teams record.
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So what is your reasoning for '02? You really think '03 and '04 made 2002 OK because we beat a Ron Zook coached Florida team 2 years in a row and owned Alabammy with Sheila at the helm? 2002 WAS the hiccup, that WAS the alarm that Fulmer was losing control. 2003 and 2004 came about and we let it go, in denial. Then 2005 comes around and it's only a tad worse than '02 simply because we lost to Vandy and didn't make a bowl.

Fast forward to today, and everyone points to 2005 as the hiccup, when it was really 2002.

And if you REALLY want to get picky, it started with the 99 recruiting class, possibly the worse Fulmer has had until this year.

There are no more excuses to be made.
 
#74
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hatvol96 said:
Don't throw facts at the Eat, Sit, and Watch The Band Crowd. They are what they are.
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If Fulmer had been fired after 2005 and we had the type of year that we are having now all of you would be complaining that we should have never gotten rid of Fulmer so soon. People like you will never be happy.
 
#75
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gainesvol82 said:
Then way do you take every opportunity to play the "I told you so" game? You skew any support for UT or Fulmer into support for mediocrity.
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Because supporting Fulmer IS supporting mediocrity.

What's wrong with wanting the best for the school/team you support?
 
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