I have to. (Missouri rant)

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Sorry, I just have a hard time hating Mizzou. They are crowing about being the best of the worst right now, but we would too. It's been said before and I agree that when UT and Fla return to the top Mizzou will be finished. They have a great coach who does well with what he has, but they've got to recruit better to stay at the top.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think that kind of dove tails well with the OP. What actually happened in 2007 in the Big 12? Did they really just jump up and become a great team?

They didn't play Texas that year. The two best teams in the Big 12 North (and this should make it pretty clear by itself) were Mizzou and Kansas. Every other team in the North had a losing record that year. Their OOC opponents were Illinois (9-4, Ole Miss 3-9, West. Mich 5-7, and an FBS school).

Give them credit for taking advantage of opportunities. Basically, very similar to what we've seen in the SEC. Then, they play someone with some talent and coaching and get hammered.


PS- I think they dropped Illinois when they moved to the SEC because they feared it would make their schedule too tough....
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Plenty of bad info here but we dropped the Illini because we tired of starting each season 1-0? They quit that series because they didn't win a game since it resumed.

2007 was the one time the B12North had the better record vs. the South. 2 top 5 North teams the final week of the season. Believe me, many MU fans (& players) were cursing that Texas wasn't on our schedule that season. You sound like you need to sit your butt on a pile of ice for some relief. Sorry we've had our way with you. More sorry that it's causing you to desperately make up crap to undermine any success we've had.
 
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UTodd01 said:
I live in Northwest, TN.

10 minutes from the Missouri border.

It's borderline torture.
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I bet that is torture. Do yourself a favor & move a short drive to the west so you can fully enjoy your proximity and enjoy a better color scheme for the flagship university. Come on over!
 
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UTodd01 said:
I posted a small preview of this thread in the Ole Miss thread. Mods, do what thou wilt.

So, naturally I'm foaming at the mouth for football season (like we all are) so I need to feed the need if you will. I'm downloading every sports app I can find and subscribing to everything Vols.

One problem...

Missouri fans.

So now I get to speak. And VN please feel free to pile on. They deserve it. They need it. Oh, reality.

First of all, concerning my team. You beat the 2 worst teams (undebatable) in UT history in '12 and '13. The former being the worst defense to ever take the field in Vols history and the latter the least talented team in 119 years of UT football. You got us in '14 thanks to injuries, a long pass and catch and a little help from the zebras. Yay.

Concerning the rest of the SEC. You backed into those 2 SECCG appearances you're oh so proud of and got your hats handed to you by two historic SEC powerhouses that you had no buisness being on the field with. We know it. You know it. UGA choked it away and you didn't take advantage.

Your accomplishment came during the Muschamp era. It came during the UT Doomsday rebuild. UGA let you have it. And I let UGA fans on a daily basis "have it" for letting it happen.

The best 2 year run in the history of Missouri football with zero hardware to show for it.

And if you're annoyed with the UT hype - be glad you weren't in the SEC from really the mid-80's to 2007. You would have been seeing little orange men running in your sleep from the coverage this program was getting from every major media outlet in the country.

It's happening again. Hope you like orange.

Gonna go ahead and drop the mic. Peace, Tigers.
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That's a lot of trash talk for a UT fan seeing as how we've yet to beat them since they've joined the SEC.
 
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I think the bottom line is that Mizzou joined the SEC when Tennessee was down. Tennessee now has the coaching and talent in place to win against anybody. We were very thin going into that Mizzou game last year. This year Mizzou is the thinner team, and are NOT as talented as Tennessee overall. IMO they are the ones that will have the challenge of pulling out the "W" this year.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I think the bottom line is that Mizzou joined the SEC when Tennessee was down. Tennessee now has the coaching and talent in place to win against anybody. We were very thin going into that Mizzou game last year. This year Mizzou is the thinner team, and are NOT as talented as Tennessee overall. IMO they are the ones that will have the challenge of pulling out the "W" this year.
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No, no... you don't understand. Because Mizzou was able to dance through the mine field with just enough talent supplied by players who are no longer on their roster for the past couple of years while UF and UT were down... it is OBVIOUS to anyone who knows football that they'll be world beaters this year. Only one proven skill player? Inexperienced and now thin DL? Questions in the secondary? Inconsistent QB? No worries. The past two years proved they'll be great this year.


In seriousness, if Pinkel gets it done with what he has returning this fall then there's not a program in the SEC including Bama that shouldn't offer him their HC job.

His roster is very similar to what Jones inherited his first year. Very little at WR. A QB with inconsistency. An OL that's pretty good. No experience at WR (but Mizzou has less talent as well). One RB. A decent TE. Little depth and questionable talent on the DL. Good, not great, at LB. Spotty in the secondary.

Granted his system isn't new and the players have been developed to the extent they have been by him. But this year's MU Tigers will be neither a deep nor particularly talented team.
 
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StlOx said:
Nope, not even close.

After completing 8yrs of futility, Illinois decided to end the annual game after going 0-8 against Missouri.

We'd love to have them back on our schedule.
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Yeah... because mighty Indiana was a big upgrade, right? Woops... I guess that one didn't even work out quite as planned.

A significant part of Mizzou's "run" is that they play such a lame OOC schedule that everyone stays healthy. Why doesn't Mizzou have the brass to schedule say an OOC opponent that's worth a dime? It doesn't get any stronger for the next couple of years either. WVU next year is an up and down program.... then its back to the lower half of the Slow 10 with Purdue.

So if you would love to have Illinois back then you must REALLY love what's on the schedule for the next 3 years. UConn, really? BYU?

It is ridiculously obvious that MU is avoiding strong OOC programs.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I think the bottom line is that Mizzou joined the SEC when Tennessee was down. Tennessee now has the coaching and talent in place to win against anybody. We were very thin going into that Mizzou game last year. This year Mizzou is the thinner team, and are NOT as talented as Tennessee overall. IMO they are the ones that will have the challenge of pulling out the "W" this year.
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Yeah. Their fans are obnoxious (on the Internet, at least). Talking so much ignorant trash about UT. On the one hand, hard to blame them because they've only been around for 3 years (unlike, say, the South Carolinas of the world who are accustomed to getting spanked by UT year-in and year-out and would never yap like so many Mizzou fans do about 3 straight wins over us). "But UT has always had a loaded roster--they just suck." Yeah, OK.

It's funny, because back in 2012 I didn't even really care when we lost to Mizzou. My reaction was basically, "LOL Dooley--are you serious? Get out of here." I will admit that I will fully enjoy beating them silly this fall though.
 
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sjt18 said:
His roster is very similar to what Jones inherited his first year. Very little at WR. A QB with inconsistency. An OL that's pretty good. No experience at WR (but Mizzou has less talent as well). One RB. A decent TE. Little depth and questionable talent on the DL. Good, not great, at LB. Spotty in the secondary.

Granted his system isn't new and the players have been developed to the extent they have been by him. But this year's MU Tigers will be neither a deep nor particularly talented team.
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I agree with a lot of this, but as bad as Mauk is, he is at least experienced and can throw the deep ball, neither of which could be said of Worley (or Peterman or Dobbs) in 2013.
 
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TXStiger said:
Plenty of bad info here but we dropped the Illini because we tired of starting each season 1-0? They quit that series because they didn't win a game since it resumed.
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:lolabove: So tired that you scheduled Indiana who hadn't had a winning season in 5 years before beginning your series and avg'd just over 3 wins per year?

So "tired" that you scheduled not a SINGLE Power 5 OOC opponent this fall?

So tired that you next two "big" OOC opponents are WVU and Purdue?

You can defend some things about your program. I would agree that Pinkel has done some pretty amazing things with very average talent. But it is obvious in the extreme that Mizzou avoids strong OOC opponents. It is a pattern. It shows no sign of changing. This was true before the switch to the SEC as well.

2007 was the one time the B12North had the better record vs. the South. 2 top 5 North teams the final week of the season. Believe me, many MU fans (& players) were cursing that Texas wasn't on our schedule that season. You sound like you need to sit your butt on a pile of ice for some relief. Sorry we've had our way with you. More sorry that it's causing you to desperately make up crap to undermine any success we've had.
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Yeah. Congrats on beating UT in three of the lowest years in the history of the program. Further congratulations for winning the East with UT and UF both at low ebb.... of course that ebb wouldn't have been as bad if UT were playing Indiana rather than Oregon....

The real "cursing" from you will come when those two programs return to historical norm... and it is coming. That's not smack... just fact. UF and UT both have history, support, facilities, and a base of recruiting to get there. It is a matter of finding the right coach.

I haven't made up anything. The Big 12 has ALWAYS been a top heavy conference going all the way back to the Big 8 and SWC before it.

I live in MO and did in 2007. I was a witness to all of the fan fare and hype. For that matter, I was pulling for Mizzou. But the North regardless of the weakness of the south was still lame and you know that is true. You also know what kind of anomaly it was for KU to be good in football and that their success was because of overachievers and not because they were loaded with great talent. EVERY other North team that year finished with a losing record.

The combined record of the teams MU beat that year was 74-73. Sorry if that just doesn't sound that impressive from a long time fan of a team that plays in a conference that routinely has 9+ bowl eligible teams.
 
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drylo said:
I agree with a lot of this, but as bad as Mauk is, he is at least experienced and can throw the deep ball, neither of which could be said of Worley (or Peterman or Dobbs) in 2013.
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Worley threw a better deep ball than Mauk. Worley just never had time for routes to develop. But either way, Worley has very little to do with the two teams that will face each other this fall.
 
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Oh... and if MU beats UT this fall then Pinkel better get a HUGE raise and UT better take a long look at Jones' game day coaching ability.
 
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#144
It ain't about Mo, it's about the Vols. This is the year we bring order back to the universe. We are getting back being the better team, and expecting a W. We are ready for them all, I want their best game, no excuses, don't go home mad, just go home.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... because mighty Indiana was a big upgrade, right? Woops... I guess that one didn't even work out quite as planned.

A significant part of Mizzou's "run" is that they play such a lame OOC schedule that everyone stays healthy. Why doesn't Mizzou have the brass to schedule say an OOC opponent that's worth a dime? It doesn't get any stronger for the next couple of years either. WVU next year is an up and down program.... then its back to the lower half of the Slow 10 with Purdue.

So if you would love to have Illinois back then you must REALLY love what's on the schedule for the next 3 years. UConn, really? BYU?

It is ridiculously obvious that MU is avoiding strong OOC programs.
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Seriously, we're telling you the facts. There were talks with Illinois about renewing the series, but they insisted that it be a Missouri home game at St. Louis, and an Illinois home game in Chicago. We have zero desire to play in Chicago. Does nothing for us and we fans would have to drive thru Champagne IL to get there. That would be like trying to tell them our home game should be in KC.

Interesting tidbit. kansas won't play us either. Still suffering from jilted girlfriend syndrome. Yet, Illinois and kansas are now scheduling each other. So, you've kind of got it the other way around. These schools know it would be a loss, and when that happens, it makes it harder to recruit area kids and easier for Missouri.
 
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StlOx said:
Seriously, we're telling you the facts. There were talks with Illinois about renewing the series, but they insisted that it be a Missouri home game at St. Louis, and an Illinois home game in Chicago. We have zero desire to play in Chicago. Does nothing for us and we fans would have to drive thru Champagne IL to get there. That would be like trying to tell them our home game should be in KC.

Interesting tidbit. kansas won't play us either. Still suffering from jilted girlfriend syndrome. Yet, Illinois and kansas are now scheduling each other. So, you've kind of got it the other way around. These schools know it would be a loss, and when that happens, it makes it harder to recruit area kids and easier for Missouri.
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With all due respect, you guys have just represented the SECe in the SECCG each of the last 2 seasons....there are more than 2 teams (Kansas and Illinois) available to schedule for ooc games.....teams that are much better than either of those. For example, while many SEC teams have scheduled 4 awful ooc games this year (Texas a&am, Arky, LSU, Vandy, OleMiss, MissSt and yes, Mizzou), there are other teams that do a good job of finding top, recently successful teams to schedule each year....teams such as Wisconsin, Louisville, Oklahoma, FSU and Clemson).
 
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sjt18 said:
No, no... you don't understand. Because Mizzou was able to dance through the mine field with just enough talent supplied by players who are no longer on their roster for the past couple of years while UF and UT were down... it is OBVIOUS to anyone who knows football that they'll be world beaters this year. Only one proven skill player? Inexperienced and now thin DL? Questions in the secondary? Inconsistent QB? No worries. The past two years proved they'll be great this year.


In seriousness, if Pinkel gets it done with what he has returning this fall then there's not a program in the SEC including Bama that shouldn't offer him their HC job.

His roster is very similar to what Jones inherited his first year. Very little at WR. A QB with inconsistency. An OL that's pretty good. No experience at WR (but Mizzou has less talent as well). One RB. A decent TE. Little depth and questionable talent on the DL. Good, not great, at LB. Spotty in the secondary.

Granted his system isn't new and the players have been developed to the extent they have been by him. But this year's MU Tigers will be neither a deep nor particularly talented team.
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I seem to remember you saying the exact same thing last year.

With the loss of Brantley (car wreck, broken leg) it's going to be a lot tougher. Expected Brantley to be another Shane Ray. IMO, it's the game against you guys will be the key to the season. Fortunately it's in Columbia.

Pinkel is Bizarro Jones. He takes talent that matches the formula given to him by Don James, where he was OC and won two NCs. Saban and Pinkel were both assistants to James. You can't teach speed, you can't teach quickness. If they match up or surpass the formula's measurables they get offered, regardless of their "star value".

Then it becomes the coaches job to teach football skills and discipline.

btw- Thought I'd also pass this along. Mauk's dad has cancer. That could be a distraction or determined focus for Maty.
 
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StlOx said:
I seem to remember you saying the exact same thing last year.

With the loss of Brantley (car wreck, broken leg) it's going to be a lot tougher. Expected Brantley to be another Shane Ray. IMO, it's the game against you guys will be the key to the season. Fortunately it's in Columbia.

Pinkel is Bizarro Jones. He takes talent that matches the formula given to him by Don James, where he was OC and won two NCs. Saban and Pinkel were both assistants to James. You can't teach speed, you can't teach quickness. If they match up or surpass the formula's measurables they get offered, regardless of their "star value".

Then it becomes the coaches job to teach football skills and discipline.

btw- Thought I'd also pass this along. Mauk's dad has cancer. That could be a distraction or determined focus for Maty.
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"Bizarro Jones"? Butch has played one season (2014) with a top 5 recruiting class at this point and it's kinda difficult to stack wins playing a top 10 schedule with true freshmen all over the field.

Hats off to and full marks for Pinkel, he's done a great job developing what looks like on paper to be inferior talent. His plan and program for building a winning program has been wildly successful during his first years as a member of the SEC...in a very down/weak SECe. But let's not, in contrast, erroneously label Jones as a guy who "does less with more".....he hasn't had time to prove much of anything one way or the other at this point...the jury is still very much out. Get back to us in January 2016.
 
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KBVol said:
"Bizarro Jones"? Butch has played one season (2014) with a top 5 recruiting class at this point and it's kinda difficult to stack wins playing a top 10 schedule with true freshmen all over the field.

Hats off to and full marks for Pinkel, he's done a great job developing what looks like on paper to be inferior talent. His plan and program for building a winning program has been wildly successful during his first years as a member of the SEC...in a very down/weak SECe. But let's not, in contrast, erroneously label Jones as a guy who "does less with more".....he hasn't had time to prove much of anything one way or the other at this point...the jury is still very much out. Get back to us in January 2016.
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I stand by those comments. How Butch pulls in talent and how Pinkel pulls in talent are completely opposite.

Butch stuffs in as many possible signings for each year as possible. Pinkle actually tries, for better or worse, not to process kids. It's almost as if, that is saying they were wrong about the kid and/or failed to teach them the football skills. We're expecting to take about 20 in 2016.

There is a family atmosphere at Mizzou:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDO9HJP4bI&feature=youtu.be

This is what we do. In 14yrs, Pinkel has never had a class ranking above #21.

Yet, this is where we are:
5th-Winningest Power Five School Since 2007
Back-to-Back #1 in Academic Progress Rate in Southeastern Conference, 2012-2013
Back-to-Back SEC East Champions, 2013-2014
5th-Most NFL 1st-Round Draft Picks Since 2009
 
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StlOx said:
I stand by those comments. How Butch pulls in talent and how Pinkel pulls in talent are completely opposite.

Butch stuffs in as many possible signings for each year as possible. Pinkle actually tries, for better or worse, not to process kids. It's almost as if, that is saying they were wrong about the kid and/or failed to teach them the football skills. We're expecting to take about 20 in 2016.

There is a family atmosphere at Mizzou:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDO9HJP4bI&feature=youtu.be

This is what we do. In 14yrs, Pinkel has never had a class ranking above #21.

Yet, this is where we are:
5th-Winningest Power Five School Since 2007
Back-to-Back #1 in Academic Progress Rate in Southeastern Conference, 2012-2013
Back-to-Back SEC East Champions, 2013-2014
5th-Most NFL 1st-Round Draft Picks Since 2009
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My goodness. You people are ridiculous. I look forward to your continued comments when it becomes apparent even to you that Mizzou fans circa 2014 were punch drunk on fluky "success."
 
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