I have no problem with two coaching decisions

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1) The timeout before the filed goal at 20-7. Nothing wrong there. Wanted to make sure his team was ready. So the other coach changed is mind. Still should stop them. But even though they didn't, the team followed that up with their own TD that neutralized Florida's score.

2) Not going for two. I have always held the philosophy that you should only go for two when ahead if you are sure this is going to be your last possession. If you go for 2 and miss, then FL gets two TDs, it then goes for two after its last TD. If it makes that you now need a FG to tie, not win.

My only coaching gripe with yesterday is the handling of the last 30 seconds. When he saw the clock was restarted at 29 seconds he should have rushed the team to spike the ball. Then we would have had a stopped clock with about 20 seconds plus a timeout. Having not done that, then he should have just taken a timeout for the FG at about 5 seconds rather than rushing to spike the ball. Although I think the 5 yards made zero difference in the FG try.

The real problem here is lack of depth in the defense. Its a classic symptom for thin defenses to run out of gas and cave in the fourth quarter, and snatch defeat from victory. Kentucky has made this their way of life for many, many years. Major's early teams did this often as well.

The coaches aren't dumb. You don't get two score leads in the fourth quarter because you don't know what you are doing and/or you are totally predictable.
 
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A 12 or 13 point lead is useless in that situation, so going for 2 and failing is no different than kicking the PAT to go up 13.

You go for 2 there, it's not a difficult concept at all.
 
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Disagree on both. The TO when Florida is in punt formation allowed them to set up a play and retain possession. Luckily they didn't score. The TO in FG formation allowed them to set up a play and eventually score. Those TOs had Dooley written all over them. If you're worried about a fake, leave your D on the field and tell them to be ready. Don't call a freaking TO.

And not going for 2 was not the right decision. Odds are just in your favor at that point. And almost all coaches will go for 2 in the 4th quarter there.

In spite of his miscues, we still had opportunities to stop them and couldn't. That's on the players, mostly. But when we do get the ball back at the end, Jones calls a TO when the clock is stopped when we're driving. That is another head-scratcher and is just inexcusable. He flat out didn't manage the game. I've been supporting him, but this loss is on him.
 
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ZZ13 said:
1) The timeout before the filed goal at 20-7. Nothing wrong there. Wanted to make sure his team was ready. So the other coach changed is mind. Still should stop them. But even though they didn't, the team followed that up with their own TD that neutralized Florida's score.

2) Not going for two. I have always held the philosophy that you should only go for two when ahead if you are sure this is going to be your last possession. If you go for 2 and miss, then FL gets two TDs, it then goes for two after its last TD. If it makes that you now need a FG to tie, not win.

My only coaching gripe with yesterday is the handling of the last 30 seconds. When he saw the clock was restarted at 29 seconds he should have rushed the team to spike the ball. Then we would have had a stopped clock with about 20 seconds plus a timeout. Having not done that, then he should have just taken a timeout for the FG at about 5 seconds rather than rushing to spike the ball. Although I think the 5 yards made zero difference in the FG try.

The real problem here is lack of depth in the defense. Its a classic symptom for thin defenses to run out of gas and cave in the fourth quarter, and snatch defeat from victory. Kentucky has made this their way of life for many, many years. Major's early teams did this often as well.

The coaches aren't dumb. You don't get two score leads in the fourth quarter because you don't know what you are doing and/or you are totally predictable.
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You're right, they're not dumb, just in over their heads. At best they are MAC coaches, but most likely are better at the HS level.
 
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Kristy* said:
Disagree on both. The TO when Florida is in punt formation allowed them to set up a play and retain possession. Luckily they didn't score. The TO in FG formation allowed them to set up a play and eventually score. Those TOs had Dooley written all over them. If you're worried about a fake, leave your D on the field and tell them to be ready. Don't call a freaking TO.

And not going for 2 was not the right decision. Odds are just in your favor at that point. And almost all coaches will go for 2 in the 4th quarter there.

In spite of his miscues, we still had opportunities to stop them and couldn't. That's on the players, mostly. But when we do get the ball back at the end, Jones calls a TO when the clock is stopped when we're driving. That is another head-scratcher and is just inexcusable. He flat out didn't manage the game. I've been supporting him, but this loss is on him.[/QUOTE]

^^^we have a winner^^^
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My biggest complaint was the 3rd down play on our 2nd to last series. I told my dad, "I sure wish we would try to get a first down here and put the game away, but we won't, we'll be conservative and play for a punt."

Here's how I looked at it. If you go for it and make the first down, you can run out the clock for the win. You miss the pass and there are 40 more seconds on the clock for your offense if the other team scores, since with over 2:30 with 2 timeouts and the clock stopping after first downs, they really didn't have to worry about the clock anyway.

Until Tennessee stops trying to passively hold on for the win, we will keep losing these games. The coaching staff has to have the will to go out and actively defeat the opponent.

*edit* Actually, the worst call was 4th and 14. I think, "well, at least we can pin our ears back and rush him... we know they have to throw long, we just won't give him enough time to find an open receiver long enough for a first down." Instead we spy the QB and give him enough time to find an open receiver downfield for the first.

Same problem though, playing passive instead of assertively putting the other team down.
 
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ZZ13 said:
1) The timeout before the filed goal at 20-7. Nothing wrong there. Wanted to make sure his team was ready. So the other coach changed is mind. Still should stop them. But even though they didn't, the team followed that up with their own TD that neutralized Florida's score.

2) Not going for two. I have always held the philosophy that you should only go for two when ahead if you are sure this is going to be your last possession. If you go for 2 and miss, then FL gets two TDs, it then goes for two after its last TD. If it makes that you now need a FG to tie, not win.

My only coaching gripe with yesterday is the handling of the last 30 seconds. When he saw the clock was restarted at 29 seconds he should have rushed the team to spike the ball. Then we would have had a stopped clock with about 20 seconds plus a timeout. Having not done that, then he should have just taken a timeout for the FG at about 5 seconds rather than rushing to spike the ball. Although I think the 5 yards made zero difference in the FG try.

The real problem here is lack of depth in the defense. Its a classic symptom for thin defenses to run out of gas and cave in the fourth quarter, and snatch defeat from victory. Kentucky has made this their way of life for many, many years. Major's early teams did this often as well.

The coaches aren't dumb. You don't get two score leads in the fourth quarter because you don't know what you are doing and/or you are totally predictable.
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it's not getting the lead that's the problem.

it's maintaining it in the last 4-5 minutes that's the issue.

they did A LOT right yesterday as coaches.

but they did A LOT wrong late, again. and even i can't defend it.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it's not getting the lead that's the problem.

it's maintaining it in the last 4-5 minutes that's the issue.

they did A LOT right yesterday as coaches.

but they did A LOT wrong late, again. and even i can't defend it.
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When you're playing a Florida team that has 3 freshman OL, a whatever string qb they were using, multiple guys out right before the game started, multiple injured during it... They looked like a total wreck and we couldn't even do squat to them. Our points were off a trick plays we had to resort to against a team that would be blown out by any other serious conference member. That scares me.
 
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No problem with the timeout ahead 20-7? Eff that noise. They got a backup freshman kicker with 0 attempts. If they beat you with trickery so be it. Make the kicker beat you
 
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BruiserVol said:
When you're playing a Florida team that has 3 freshman OL, a whatever string qb they were using, multiple guys out right before the game started, multiple injured during it... They looked like a total wreck and we couldn't even do squat to them. Our points were off a trick plays we had to resort to against a team that would be blown out by any other serious conference member. That scares me.
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eh, i loved the fact they threw the kitchen sink at 'em. we were more physical, we were coaching and playing to win. Dobbs was great running, Hurd was a beast. i was so impressed with how that kid ran the ball. dude gets the dirty yards.

i was proud as hell of them. right up until the coaches blew it.
 
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Kristy* said:
In spite of his miscues, we still had opportunities to stop them and couldn't. That's on the players, mostly. But when we do get the ball back at the end, Jones calls a TO when the clock is stopped when we're driving. That is another head-scratcher and is just inexcusable. He flat out didn't manage the game. I've been supporting him, but this loss is on him.
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I'm pretty sure he took that timeout (the one with 56 seconds remaining) to avoid the ten second runoff. It was right after false start and clock was running, so by rule it would've been a runoff. But that still doesn't excuse the end of game mismanagement. One minute and twenty-ish seconds and two timeouts is plenty of time for any decent team to get into FG range.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i was proud as hell of them. right up until the coaches blew it.
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These kids have what it takes. Several of them have the natural TN pride in their blood. That along with great talent has made the team better on Saturdays. The rest is what is missing.
 
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