I have been a Dooley hater but come on Vol fans

[HOAV]

I'm tired of the "wait til next year" attitude

 

[stopit28]

The fact he can't win with all that talent makes it even worse since it was a young inexperienced UF team.

lets be honest. the first year since 2007 with real talent. Last i checked everyone, should some choose not to leave for nfl next year, will be back. That makes us very young also. the difference??? its not the starting talent, its the depth. We are finally getting some depth in spotty areas. Yes florida is a young team, with that being said, they also just reload due to the recruiting they have had the past few years with meyer. Lets not forget, they hve probably one of the top 5 defenses in the nation and are deep on defense. So yes, tennessee lost, but lets not make it seem as if we have the top tier talent already. We have two great recievers and a very good QB. Our running game is non existent due to lack of play calling in that area, so u cant improve if you dont practice it. If your one dimensional, you become stopped. you can put peyton on our team now, and we will still lose if we cant run.

 

[stopit28]

There is no waiting til next year. We will win this year, and i still believe we will get 9 wins this year. We look good. as said many times before we have a BRAND NEW defensive scheme which means breakdowns in coverage. what happened saturday? breakdowns in coverage. Anyone who has anything new has to learn it and it will take time. Just as georgia. They will improve each week and have improved. At first it was letting the big pass plays happen, and now that is getting under control. Now its the big run play by a scrambling QB. It was their first time playing a QB tht can run like that with their defense, so now thy can adjust. They will adjust.

 

[stopit28]

We are complaining about the players giving up, or not being good enough. I think that is very hypocritical from each one of you who say that. As a fan, your giving up and are not being a fan. Instead, your degrading these KIDS (STUDENTS,TEENAGERS), and a man who has come in here from scratch, when no one else would because of all the work it would take, and finally turned things around and got us some talent and is keeping us in games. Relax. Another game is this weekend, then georgia.

 

[Volz4lif3]

You must not have to worry about setting the edge in the NFL.

Or containing the QB or sticking to assignments..

 

[VolsRule]

it will take dooley another couple of years to rebuild the roster after the mess left by kiffin and fulmer.

 

[Volz4lif3]

it will take dooley another couple of years to rebuild the roster after the mess left by kiffin and fulmer.

I'm not sure if you're for real.. Your willing to have 2 more seasons like last year or a slight improvement from last year and be satisfied?

 

[bcartervol98]

Their experienced underclassmen showed more heart and drive to win than our inexperienced upper classmen. I sure hope they do not start high school kids next year lol.

I just find it hilarious the number of people that blame youth and inexperience when more youthful and inexperienced teams have kicked our asses for 2 years now.

Find more than 7 wins on our schedule this year? I cannot. Miss State is a toss up, Vandy and KY are only "should be" easy SEC wins.

I thought we were going to be better, but the attitudes and drive to win by our team was not there, and that is not entirely their fault. I run a business, if my people fail it is MY failure. Why doesnt that apply to coaching? Dooley and co are squandering talent, which is just as hurtful to recruiting as anything.

 

[onevol74]

I agree with the OP and we should all reserve our coaching opinions to the end of the season. I am not a Doolaid drinker either but a supporter of the program.

 

[Volz4lif3]

I agree with the OP and we should all reserve our coaching opinions to the end of the season. I am not a Doolaid drinker either but a supporter of the program.

I can agree on this but what I saw Saturday was very disheartening and hope to gawd they show improvement.

 

[bcartervol98]

I agree with the OP and we should all reserve our coaching opinions to the end of the season. I am not a Doolaid drinker either but a supporter of the program.

My opinion has been the same since halfway through his first season. He has recruited more talent, but has not earned their or my respect as a leader or a coach.

If he is what UT has sunk to as a figurehead and leader I am sad for those kids going to school now and not experiencing a quality football program and season.

I think at this point it sort of "goes without saying".

 

[stopit28]

he had wat, 55 players his first year here?? thts nfl size!!! most of those 55 players were not d-1 athletes.that is zero depth at all. So we are giving him 2 years to win the sec east or he is gone?? lol, wow. Vandy for god sakes had 80 some kind of players.

 

[onevol74]

I can agree on this but what I saw Saturday was very disheartening and hope to gawd they show improvement.

If you are talking about players quitting, I totally agree with you and the staff needs to make some changes. Some people say that character does not count but it sure does here.

 

[Volz4lif3]

If you are talking about players quitting, I totally agree with you and the staff needs to make some changes. Some people say that character does not count but it sure does here.

Bango...

 

[mstephens1984]

I can not open a new thread because i do not have enough posts, so I am giving my idea to anyone who would like to use it. I would love to see a poll on how many wins most people think CDD needs this year to cool his seat down. I seek no credit or anything, I would just like to see the outcome in the current situation. Thanks, Go Vols

 

[pharmDvol11]

OP is actually correct as are several others.

Where most on here FAIL is that they don't understand the process to totally rebuild a program and the player roster.

When CDD was the ONLY coach that would risk his career to come here we had the roster to play well.....against Memphis high school or the worst ACC teams...maybe.

College football is a 4 YEAR recruiting process just to try and get us back to where we can even compete well against the best SEC schools...4 YEAR folks.

Good SEC programs MUST have SEC type player in EVERY class from Seniors, Juniors, Sophs and Freshmen and then you have a full roster of SEC type player and you just reload every year to replace Seniors and Juniors that leave early for the NFL.

In year 1 CDD had to keep together the class of laMe kiffScum and he did that AND he added some other good players on his own.

CDD only has 2 recruiting classes of his own, Sophs and Freshmen so maybe you better look at some of those kids CDD brought in...

Brian Randolph...Potential all SEC and maybe All American.

McNeil...just a freshman but was all american coming out of high school with unlimited potential.

A J Johnson...Potential all American

Maggitt...Potential all American

Stone, Pig, McCullers, Sentimore, Couch, ect, ect, ect.

Kids that alaBummer and many other good programs tried to get BUT it was CDD that got them to Tennessee.

2 recruiting classes that are all on CDD and LOTS of really good SEC type of footVol players.

All in spite of everything being stacked against him and he's still recruited very well even with a lousy, losing team.

That IS progress and where we need it most...Real SEC type football players to get lots of WINS for our future.

CDD can't coach???

nick saTan kept CDD on his staff for 7 years and begged him to go to alaBubba with him and he says CDD is a **** good coach.

HOW can any of you armchair football experts say that CDD can't coach when he has NOT had enough SEC type players or the SEC type depth with any experience to even barely be able to compete with Vandy or a low level ACC team?

FACT is that if we fire CDD we will NOT get a proven, successful head coach to replace him because we simply do NOT have the money to pay enough for a HC to come here and risk their career.

FACT is that with a new HC the 4 YEAR recruiting process and learning curve starts all over again with a new O plan and a new D plan.

nick saTan walked into alaBummer with a real good roster of SEC type players on the roster to start off with...CDD walked into 1 of the worst football programs with a horrid roster that has to be totally rebuilt.

I HATE losing but I'm 58 years old and I do understand what it takes to totally rebuild an entire college football program from nothing and I HATE being patient too because I want a SEC and a National Championship right NOW too but that's simply not how college football works especially in the always tough SEC.

CSS will have our new D as a top 10 D but it will be next year and CDD and CSS deserve the chance to prove what they can really do once they have a full roster of their type of SEC type players to coach.

FloriDUHHHH beat us with 4* and 5* talent all over the field and on the bench for a solid 2 deep rotation that's been recruiting well for 10 years or more but our Tennessee Vols just don't have that type of talent everywhere...YET!

VFL...GBO!!!

I agree... I think next year's Florida game will be close (even in the Swamp) and I'd feel as confident about the next Florida game in Knoxville as you guys did this year... And WHY NOT BE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE??

You guys gotta realize that when Tyler leaves you've got Worley behind him (who's potential is yet to be determined... I'm not sure he can take over or not). But behind that you've got Peterman, who is probably a Driskell- type player from what I know about him. Then you got current 4* commit Riley Ferguson coming in who's also a balanced run-pass athlete (from what I know... the recruiting gurus will have to verify this for me). I'm excited about those 2 guys right there...

Look at our WRs! We've got Pig, Croom and TN native Drae Bowles (who Rivals compared to Dez Bryant) that haven't even dusted off their helmets yet. Those are the first 2 that come to mind. We've also got commitments from a 4* guy from Maryland, Paul Harris, and local kid Camion Patrick. Honestly on offense I think we're a quality RB recruit away from balancing everything out... Which we appear to be in the mix with some good players (again recruiting guys back me up on this).

I hope you guys see my point. I think Dooley has the ball rolling on this program. Does it make me mad that we lost to Florida this wkd? He!! yes! But it's not because of what the coaches specifically did (a loss is a loss... you're never going to be happy with the end result) but because we haven't beaten them in 8 fricken years! I'm ready to shut them up! I feel like this wkd turned a corner in a lot of ways... I think a lot of people that watched the game thought that as well... The announcers at the Florida game said that this was the best UT team that they've seen in a long time... I tend to agree... Why fire this coach after hearing that??

If you're still off the ship then I don't know how to get you back on... But I'll try... This isn't about Dooley this is about rebuilding Tennessee... And Dooley is doing as good of a job as anyone we could get.... And he's actually a pretty likeable coach... Somebody once told me that the most criticized leaders in Tennessee are the the President of the United States, the state government and the UT football coach (paraphrased)... And that made sense to me... To coach here you've got to be a PC kind of guy... Can't shy away from the media or the attention...

Are there more successful coaches out there? YEAH!... But considering a lot of guys turned down this job last time I find most of the names people throw around to be pretty laughable... I think you guys that want to fire him now would be surprised at how many guys would be "available" to turn us down this time... You might as well make your top 10 list and start at 5... That's where we are realistically in terms of job attractiveness to a coach... That's not a slight at our program as a whole that's just where we are right now in rebuilding... And that's where we'd be if we jumped ship right now... That's part of rebuilding... And I can tell we're going in the right direction because this is the first time in I don't know how long that I've still felt positive about the season after the Florida game..

 

[pimo1]

Woo Hooo I can't wait to see what he does in another year when Bray, Hunter, and CP are gone. Face it folks, we have a Shula on our hands...Time to pony up and hire a real HC. That's what TENNESSEE needs. :furious3:

actually without even knowing it you might have made a good point. Who knows what would have happened if Shula had been given another year or 2 in Bama. That is what I find hilarious. People keep comparing our coach to the right people for the wrong reasons. Shula was fired prematurely because fans had no patience and wanted a big name "proven" winner.

Who is to say that it wasn't the recruiting during his tenure that built the base of one of the most dominant teams in the past few decades. How come Saban gets all the credit when in both times he came in and won a NC with mostly some other guys team. Now he was smart enough to stick around in Bama because once they start winning there recruiting takes care of itself. I honestly believe Saban is and will go down as one of the best of all time. He is a smart dude and being smart he goes into smart situations. Had those dudes that got fired before him not built the groundwork we wouldn't be calling him a genius though.

 

[VolMax]

:hi:

Will giving Dooley ten years to get us back in the top ten satisfy you guys? How about 20 years? Bama and the hogs turned their programs around in 2 years. Are their schools that much more desireable to top players than UT?

Bama and Arky we're loaded with talent compared to what Dooley inherited.

 

[VolMax]

OP, it doesn't matter what you say, Vol Nation is going to be divided on this topic. I hope Dooley goes 8-1 or 7-2 the rest of the way to see what they'll say.

For the record, I have enjoyed having a little bit more hope from year to year under Dooley. I was very skeptical of the hire, and thought it was bad news for us. But here comes a guy from Louisiana Tech, taking over a no win situation. He has replenished the pantry to get us back to where we can at least be competitive. I thought he needed 4 years minimum with all of the problems that faced this team. This is only his 3rd season, and we've already drawn national attention and gotten Gameday.

I believed we would win Saturday, but I really underestimated Florida. Driskell played better than I would have dreamed he could, which also helped open up the run for Florida (although the lack of containment was inexcusable). The Gameday analysts didn't think we would win. They said defense and a running game would be the difference. Wouldn't you know they called it from a mile away. They are still impressed by us however, and we should be proud of our team too.

The long runs we're on the ILB's and secondary. They did not get on the edge. I thought same thing until I watched second half again.

Otherwise, I agree totally!

GBO!

 

[VolMax]

these people setting mattress factories aflame all have one thing in common... the exact opposite thing going on in your post. A complete and utter lack of logic. They want the team to win and win now, period. None of them can see or even have it explained to them that it is not possible.

No coach or coaching staff could turn this team around as fast as people want/expect. But Dooley has done an amazing job getting us on the path to recovery. If people would calm down and let the process complete we end up fine. Thing is that ain't gonna happen so all we can do is keep trying to open eyes and when people post moronic vitriol point out the flaws.

People love to point out Dooley's record....most other coaches put in his same position would have had a hard time doing much better but most fans are regular people and most people are complete and utter idiots who do not understand that the most dangerous thing is a "fact" used out of context.

My favorite is when they point out his record against Top 25 teams. How many wins does La Tech have versus Top 25 teams in the history of the program? How many wins versus Top 25 teams did anybody expect us to have in the last two years with a two deep roster dominated with freshmen and sophomores?

 

[VolMax]

Dooley is not the answer for Tennnessee Football.... Ohio State gets rid of one legend, and buys another. We get Dooley. What's wrong with this picture? I wish the guy luck, because I love the program. I think he's proved he can't beat a ranked team. His signature win is not Cinnci...his signature win is an overtime victory over Vandy. I think that says it all. I's not his fault though, it's Mike Hamilton's fault. Hamilton alone is the worst thing to ever happen to Tennessee sports. We as fans are gonna have to suck it up and see this for what it is. I'm not mad or sick or blaming the team....simply waiting for someone at this institution to make the RIGHT call.

Tressel didn't get fired for letting the talent level of the Buckeyes plummet to where CPF had us. Meyer knew he could walk in and win right away there and he is an Ohio native that grew up a Buckeye fan.

 

[AaronM]

are all the Dooley haters still gonna be talking when he wins 8 or 9 games this year?

 

[VolMax]

Seriously... The bottom line is that Dooley's ceiling as a HC in the SEC is seven wins, maybe eight if things fall just right. It's been posted Ad Nauseum here but the biggest knock on him as UT's coach is 0-11 vs ranked teams. Has never won a game that the team trailed at halftime. Mental mistakes aplenty and a severe tendency to fold up at the first sign of adversity. Its been a recurring theme during his tenure here and I honestly don't see it getting any better. We will never beat a team we weren't supposed to beat with Dooley in charge and now we're losing to teams we shouldn't be losing to. All the folks saying "if you fire Dooley you're gonna set the program back another 2-5 years" don't want to see that keeping him around is doing exactly the same thing.

:banghead2:

How many games against ranked teams did anyone expect us to win the last two years starting so many freshman and sophomores?

 

[VolMax]

If you are talking about players quitting, I totally agree with you and the staff needs to make some changes. Some people say that character does not count but it sure does here.

Watch the game again. The players didn't quit.

I thought the same thing until I watched it sober and without the emotion.

 

[awebb7]

are all the Dooley haters still gonna be talking when he wins 8 or 9 games this year?

If you're dumb enough to think that he wins 8 or 9 games this year you deserve the idiot. This is a cupcake schedule and he will be LUCKY to win six games. FOUR more than what he has already won.

The man is incompetent on an astronomical level, and it appears that no one here can see it.