I have a gun control question

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hog88 said:
Does it matter what the intended purpose of an item is once it is used to cause harm?
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Nope and that's why the Navy SEALS are moving to the efficiency and ever so cost effective method of flicking staples at the eyes of enemy combatants.

Statistically, more emergency ophthalmology visits are tied to this than SEAL's driving Kia Sedona's into Taliban strongholds.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Liberal pipe dream same as prohibition. Criminals would simply hoard guns and create a huge blackmarket same as every other illegal thing. The only people disarmed would be private citizens. Most gun owners would not turn in their guns regardless of the law passed. You have a better chance of making drug use illegal, wait it is illegal. Try changing whatever is making these nuts go crazy.
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Yet reality says otherwise. See: Australian assault rifle ban.
 
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Septic said:
Nope and that's why the Navy SEALS are moving to the efficiency and ever so cost effective method of flicking staples at the eyes of enemy combatants.

Statistically, more emergency ophthalmology visits are tied to this than SEAL's driving Kia Sedona's into Taliban strongholds.
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:thud:
 
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Septic said:
Goodness, you may be even more dense that Tums. Are you trying to pass off auto accidents as auto murder?

SLOWLY: Car crashes are not the same thing as premeditated murder.
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and do you think of the 33,000 gun killings that most were premeditated mass murders?

pretty sure the list goes:

1. suicide








2. acts of passion, usually domestic violence
3. "accidents"
4. Crime/criminals (not mass shootings)



5. mass shootings.
 
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LouderVol said:
and do you think of the 33,000 gun killings that most were premeditated mass murders?

pretty sure the list goes:

1. suicide








2. acts of passion, usually domestic violence
3. "accidents"
4. Crime/criminals (not mass shootings)



5. mass shootings.
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I was only asking for 83 examples of premeditated auto murder in 35 days to capitulate, not 33,000.

My offer stands.
 
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hog88 said:
Does it really matter if a firearm was used in a homicide or suicide?
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Well, YES it is looking more and more like it does matter. A portion of our crazies like to murder others with guns before they off themselves. In Japan, they tend to wander off in the woods with a rope...big difference.
 
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newarkvol said:
Well, YES it is looking more and more like it does matter. A portion of our crazies like to murder others with guns before they off themselves. In Japan, they tend to wander off in the woods with a rope...big difference.
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Maybe there is a difference in people?
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
But printer inks have never been the actual instruments that have killed 25 people worshiping their Lord in what should be a safe space.



What do most of you use your guns for? Hunting? Hobby (shooting range, etc.)? I get that the most common answer will likely be protection, but how many times have you actively used them in that manner? I'm curious as to what you guys regularly use them for.
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I shoot paper and old aerosol cans before recycling. My wife shoots squirrels that keep feasting on our mangoes.
 
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Septic said:
I don't think you'd find anyone who'd disagree with the sentiment that the Home Depot rental truck wasn't designed for the explicit purpose of mowing down bikers.
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So it was an accident?

Try having relevant responses. You’ll look better.
 
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The sooner you come to realize that there are no safe spaces, the better off you’ll be. The police and government cannot save you. Laws are words printed on paper, that’s all. Protect yourself and your family, no one else will do it for you.
 
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MY first and only comment in this thread:

I'm a gun owner. I own multiple handguns and long guns. If it would stop these mass killings I would give them up today and encourage everyone to do the same.

But it won't stop it. There's too many other ways. I don't know how to make a bomb, but I'll bet I could learn how pretty quickly if I were of a mind to. I believe the Boston bomber used fireworks to make larger explosives. I believe I'm smarter than him and could do more damage than him if that were my goal.

It's just not true imo that taking peoples guns or limiting firepower will make a difference.





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The United States is unique among industrialized nations in that it very much has (at least the vestiges of) a frontiersman culture. Lots of guns. In that lifestyle, they are part of everyday life. Nations like the UK, France, Japan, etc. don't have this culture. They have nowhere near as many guns per capita and therefore not as many crimes committed with guns.

It isn't true that the United States has a "high crime rate" compared to other Western nations. The United States has a relatively higher crime rate when you are talking about crimes committed with guns, which makes complete sense since there is roughly one gun for each person in the country. When you look at crime rates for things like kidnapping, car theft, home invasions, etc., the United States actually has a relatively lower crime rate compared to Western nations, which some attribute to the fact that gun ownership by ordinary citizens is relatively common.
 
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MT LeConte said:
MY first and only comment in this thread:

I'm a gun owner. I own multiple handguns and long guns. If it would stop these mass killings I would give them up today and encourage everyone to do the same.

But it won't stop it. There's too many other ways. I don't know how to make a bomb, but I'll bet I could learn how pretty quickly if I was of a mind to. I believe the Boston bomber used fireworks to make larger explosives. I believe I'm smarter than him and could do more damage than him if that were my goal.

It's just not true imo that taking peoples guns or limiting firepower will make a difference.
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Who the f hacked Leconte’s account?
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe there is a difference in people?
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Yes!.. individualistic vs. collectivist!...
...so let's get back to the point of meaningful reform as this thread is off the rails.. I believe every law abiding person should be able to buy and use all of the weapons they want with caveats: 1.a license to own and shoot that legally registered weapon, this license should act like a driver's license including classroom and practical instruction and a proficiency test, mental health screening, a background check, and a vision test. 2.Insurance should be required on every firearm to provide financial coverage in case of accidents and 3.severe penalties if you are caught with a firearm without an operators license and the proper registration of the weapon in your possession.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The sooner you come to realize that there are no safe spaces, the better off you’ll be. The police and government cannot save you. Laws are words printed on paper, that’s all. Protect yourself and your family, no one else will do it for you.
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There is danger in living in a free society, if people do not want to accept the dangers involved they have alternatives.
 
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newarkvol said:
Yes!.. individualistic vs. collectivist!...
...so let's get back to the point of meaningful reform as this thread is off the rails.. I believe every law abiding person should be able to buy and use all of the weapons they want with caveats: 1.a license to own and shoot that legally registered weapon, this license should act like a driver's license including classroom and practical instruction and a proficiency test, mental health screening, a background check, and a vision test. 2.Insurance should be required on every firearm to provide financial coverage in case of accidents and 3.severe penalties if you are caught with a firearm without an operators license and the proper registration of the weapon in your possession.
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1. No, not unless you want to start discussing licensing for other enumerated rights.
2. No. Then you encumber the ability of the poor to exercise their rights.
3. How about severe penalties for murder, assault and ext?
 
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MT LeConte said:
MY first and only comment in this thread:

I'm a gun owner. I own multiple handguns and long guns. If it would stop these mass killings I would give them up today and encourage everyone to do the same.

But it won't stop it. There's too many other ways. I don't know how to make a bomb, but I'll bet I could learn how pretty quickly if I were of a mind to. I believe the Boston bomber used fireworks to make larger explosives. I believe I'm smarter than him and could do more damage than him if that were my goal.

It's just not true imo that taking peoples guns or limiting firepower will make a difference.





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Agree across the board. I'm all for workable solutions that will make a difference. No one ever seems to offer such solutions up. It's the same old arguments rehashed over and over.

People start with their position on guns and mold incidents to fit their position rather than think through viable and effective solutions.

It's not a simple problem and I don't have any answers myself.
 
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hog88 said:
1. No, not unless you want to start discussing licensing for other enumerated rights.
2. No. Then you encumber the ability of the poor to exercise their rights.
3. How about severe penalties for murder, assault and ext?
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I'll give you number 2...
 
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newarkvol said:
Yes!.. individualistic vs. collectivist!...
...so let's get back to the point of meaningful reform as this thread is off the rails.. I believe every law abiding person should be able to buy and use all of the weapons they want with caveats: 1.a license to own and shoot that legally registered weapon, this license should act like a driver's license including classroom and practical instruction and a proficiency test, mental health screening, a background check, and a vision test. 2.Insurance should be required on every firearm to provide financial coverage in case of accidents and 3.severe penalties if you are caught with a firearm without an operators license and the proper registration of the weapon in your possession.
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I don't have a problem with becoming certified (eg. some training) to operate a gun but do have a problem if I have to have a registration for every gun I own. Runs counter to the motivation for the 2nd Amendment.

The insurance analogy is false since auto insurance is required because accidents are not crimes. If you murder someone there are already mechanisms in place.

Agree with #3 - except for the registration component (see above).

The truth is that none of these would make a bit of difference with these recent active shooter cases.
 
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