I have a gun control question

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Septic said:
I'm sure this knowledge will provide comfort to those who lost loved ones. Two of the top five in US history have happened in the last 35 days.
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Oh if it's a question of rights or providing comfort, let's provide comfort all day.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Honest hypothetical question...and it's totally spit balling with this question. I don't know if it would actually be possible, but just thought I'd throw it out and see what responses it would receive. Some gun owners love their guns, 2nd Amendment, yada yada yada. So, we do nothing on gun restriction at all.

What about ammo? What would 2A folks think about ammo bans/restrictions? Only legal to purchase lethal ammo with a hunting license, and then only a certain number? Or perhaps you have to have a very specific, hard to acquire, ___ day mandatory waiting list license that allows you to have lethal ammo without it being used for hunting purposes. All other ammo is non lethal rubber bullets, and having lethal ammo without very specific licenses faces very stiff penalties of overly excessive jail time, or something.

Again, I don't know if it's a possibility to do something like this or not. I'm sure I'll end up getting trolled for asking, but it wouldn't affect anyone's 2A right to own a gun. And maybe, just maybe we can have less massacres of each other.
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No trolling here. Your biggest problem is that you're not talking about some kind of special ammunition. (I'm assuming you're talking about calibers primarily associated with the AR platform.) In fact, 223/5.56 is far and away the most commonly used centerfire caliber in the US. It's the definition of ubiquitous.

The thing that most people that have no idea about guns is how stone dead common the AR platform is in just general use. The idea that the civilian AR is some kind of crazy death demon lurking around in the shadows is pure naivete. In truth they're fantastically useful arms and among the last firearms I'd give up due to across the board practicality.
 
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hog88 said:
I guess I could go for that as soon as we put a wait on accessing the internet after a computer purchase or buying ink after purchasing a printer.
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But printer inks have never been the actual instruments that have killed 25 people worshiping their Lord in what should be a safe space.

hndog609 said:
No trolling here. Your biggest problem is that you're not talking about some kind of special ammunition. (I'm assuming you're talking about calibers primarily associated with the AR platform.) In fact, 223/5.56 is far and away the most commonly used centerfire caliber in the US. It's the definition of ubiquitous.

The thing that most people that have no idea about guns is how stone dead common the AR platform is in just general use. The idea that the civilian AR is some kind of crazy death demon lurking around in the shadows is pure naivete. In truth they're fantastically useful arms and among the last firearms I'd give up due to across the board practicality.
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What do most of you use your guns for? Hunting? Hobby (shooting range, etc.)? I get that the most common answer will likely be protection, but how many times have you actively used them in that manner? I'm curious as to what you guys regularly use them for.
 
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hog88 said:
Oh if it's a question of rights or providing comfort, let's provide comfort all day.
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Speaking of which, 84 innocent people have lost their unalienable Right to life, liberty and happiness in the last month.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
But printer inks have never been the actual instruments that have killed 25 people worshiping their Lord in what should be a safe space.



What do most of you use your guns for? Hunting? Hobby (shooting range, etc.)? I get that the most common answer will likely be protection, but how many times have you actively used them in that manner? I'm curious as to what you guys regularly use them for.
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I doubt you could think of a legal usage for a firearm for which I haven't tasked an AR other than direct defense of self or liberty. (And I fervently hope that never has to happen for obvious reasons)

In truth as far as ammo expended the only thing I've shot more than 223/5.56 is .22LR.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
But printer inks have never been the actual instruments that have killed 25 people worshiping their Lord in what should be a safe space.



What do most of you use your guns for? Hunting? Hobby (shooting range, etc.)? I get that the most common answer will likely be protection, but how many times have you actively used them in that manner? I'm curious as to what you guys regularly use them for.
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The printing press has killed millions. Way more than civilian owned firearms.

When I had a collection of firearms (all were lost in the flood) the main uses were hunting and recreational. Never once used a personal firearm in self defense though I do have a carry permit and occasionally had one on my person. Always better to have and not need than to need and not have.
 
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Septic said:
Speaking of which, 84 innocent people have lost their unalienable Right to life, liberty and happiness in the last month.
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And I truly feel sorrow for them and their families.

About 40,000 people lost their lives in automobile crashes last year so if it's all about saving lives shouldn't we be discussing banning personal cars?
 
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hog88 said:
And I truly feel sorrow for them and their families.

About 40,000 people lost their lives in automobile crashes last year so if it's all about saving lives shouldn't we be discussing banning personal cars?
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How many of the 40,000 that were killed in their cars enjoying a Jason Aldean concert, sitting in a church pew or dancing at a night club?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Add to this the fact the shooter legally purchased this weapon after being kicked out of the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child.

Why do people need these guns? Why do they even exist? It is literally designed to kill a lot of people very quickly. It has no other purpose than mass casualties
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so it fails 99.99999999% of the time a trigger is pulled?
 
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Septic said:
It's because we're talking about people getting shot. Try to keep up.
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Negative. You responded to Hog’s post about automobiles. I know you’re pretty dumb, but damn you make this easy. Lol
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If would be exponentially more difficult to kill 50 people without a firearm. Thats not debatable. But yes I agree on your point about mental health. Maybe every person who purchases and AR is required to pass a Psych Exam first.
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no, with high school chemistry anyone could take down a building or kill everyone inside.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Negative. You responded to Hog’s post about automobiles. I know you’re pretty dumb, but damn you make this easy. Lol
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Remember what I was saying about the intellectually lazy?

You never disappoint.
 
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hndog609 said:
No trolling here. Your biggest problem is that you're not talking about some kind of special ammunition. (I'm assuming you're talking about calibers primarily associated with the AR platform.) In fact, 223/5.56 is far and away the most commonly used centerfire caliber in the US. It's the definition of ubiquitous.

The thing that most people that have no idea about guns is how stone dead common the AR platform is in just general use. The idea that the civilian AR is some kind of crazy death demon lurking around in the shadows is pure naivete. In truth they're fantastically useful arms and among the last firearms I'd give up due to across the board practicality.
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"....across the board PRACTICAL." Do tell us about all the practical uses of an assault rifle, besides killing a bunch of innocent people in a minute or so.
 
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hog88 said:
And I truly feel sorrow for them and their families.

About 40,000 people lost their lives in automobile crashes last year so if it's all about saving lives shouldn't we be discussing banning personal cars?
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pulling out this tired conservative cliche again? Let's see, cars are made for taking people from one place to another and guns are made for killing people. Damn, let me think for a few minutes and see if there is a difference. Of course people are killed in cars--that's why they call since incidents ACCIDENTS. Nearly all gun deaths are intentional, not accidental. Bit of difference.....

People die falling down stairs, too....
 
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Septic said:
How many of the 40,000 that were killed in their cars enjoying a Jason Aldean concert, sitting in a church pew or dancing at a night club?
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do a quick Google of "Car crashes into building"

car crashes into building - Google Search

plenty of examples similar to what you listed. plenty (more than guns) people dying from this too. but we don't care about those lives.
 
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armchair said:
pulling out this tired conservative cliche again? Let's see, cars are made for taking people from one place to another and guns are made for killing people. Damn, let me think for a few minutes and see if there is a difference. Of course people are killed in cars--that's why they call since incidents ACCIDENTS. Nearly all gun deaths are intentional, not accidental. Bit of difference.....

People die falling down stairs, too....
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They call them collisions.

Oh, the recent killings in New York were an “accident”. You should tell the victims families that.
 
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armchair said:
pulling out this tired conservative cliche again? Let's see, cars are made for taking people from one place to another and guns are made for killing people. Damn, let me think for a few minutes and see if there is a difference. Of course people are killed in cars--that's why they call since incidents ACCIDENTS. Nearly all gun deaths are intentional, not accidental. Bit of difference.....

People die falling down stairs, too....
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suicide is the number one cause of gun deaths. mental health anyone?
 
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I imagine that the texas church shooter, just like the Las Vegas shooter and hundreds if not thousands of killers before them, was considered a "responsible gun owner" the day before yesterday. And then yesterday....not so responsible....which puts the lie to another conservative saw: that gun owners are "responsible" and "law-abiding." Everybody is law-abiding until they aren't--and given the mental-health situation in America, there are a LOT of people close to the edge. That's why we see so many who crack--and they usually have lots of guns when they do.

The bottom line is that we have GOP politicians who care more about NRA money and keeping their jobs than protecting the lives of American people. Who disputes that? And we have a large bunch of Bubbas in America who think their desire to play sheriff and play with guns is more important than the safety of the American people. Blood on hands.
 
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LouderVol said:
do a quick Google of "Car crashes into building"

car crashes into building - Google Search

plenty of examples similar to what you listed. plenty (more than guns) people dying from this too. but we don't care about those lives.
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Yes, because that's the same thing as the massacres described previously.

I hear that the USMC is now training its Marines to clean carburetors instead of bolt carrier groups since Chryslers are now the preferred implement of death.
 
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also cars are guided missiles. speed, mass, explosive fuel, crazy emotional and distracted teenage drivers.

plenty of other options of transportation than cars. Before cars there weren't people dying too often in horse accidents. we should clearly go back to a safer time. Or how about mass transportation, save the environment and lives. don't understand why you hate people so much that you want them to die in cars.
 
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hog88 said:
And I truly feel sorrow for them and their families.

About 40,000 people lost their lives in automobile crashes last year so if it's all about saving lives shouldn't we be discussing banning personal cars?
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This lame argument is losing its luster: In 2013..though auto accidents – 33,804 – did exceed the number of gun-related deaths – 33,636, they did so by less than 1%.
FastStats - Injuries

In some states, death by gun now exceed deaths by automobile-In 2014:Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and the District of Columbia
Gun Deaths Surpass Motor Vehicle Deaths in 21 States and the District of Columbia | Violence Policy Center

We DEMAND that cars and trucks be made smarter and safer ...
 
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tumscalcium said:
They call them collisions.

Oh, the recent killings in New York were an “accident”. You should tell the victims families that.
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I don't think you'd find anyone who'd disagree with the sentiment that the Home Depot rental truck wasn't designed for the explicit purpose of mowing down bikers.
 
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