I hate to say this, but…

[Orangeslice13]

That’s why they call it a rebuild.

Plus, if you think there is a perfect coach out there whose coordinator’s put together perfect game plans each and every week, I’ve got some really bad news for you. No perfect coach will every roam the sidelines for any team…because there isn’t one. It’s why upsets happen.

Heupel has been better than expectations so far. He has our QB of the future in the program. I’m willing to be patient. Especially given how much better we are than the previous 12 years.

Absolutely.
I think Hypel is going to be elite one day.
I think he’s still learning from his mistakes.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear in my assessment

 

[VolRage]

I notice we're not calling him sunbelt Billy anymore.

Maybe his new nickname should be Heupel’s master.

 

[JustinVol]

Very poorly coached team. I thought we might have finally found a great one. Elitw coaches dont have that happen.

That’s false lol

 

[VolRage]

I think what we see from here will tell us a lot about this coaching staff. With this loss . . . And what are obvious decencies in the oline / linebacker depth / secondary . . . And most importantly the QB position . . . A great staff will get this bunch to 8-4 with losses to the obvious teams of UGA / Bama / already Florida and one out of TAMU / Mizzou / Kentucky / and USC. It will take a Herculean effort to get this team to 8-4. I expect 7-5.


6-6 = Coach Heupel will be forced to fire some people . . .

This team will likely lose every one of those games. With a little luck they might beat either KY or Mizzou. At this point, Vandy has a real shot at winning.

 

[Vollifer1949]

we got outcoached big time by Billy Napier of all people. The defensive players were repeatedly confused as to where to line up in the first half. But Florida wasn’t using a hurry-up offense, and they were running the same plays that they did against Utah. This was all about preparation; they should have known how to lineup against the pre-snap movement.

The offense was as undisciplined as ever. Way too many self-inflicted wounds with penalty yardage (mainly from the offensive line) and wasted timeouts because they couldn’t decide on a play or get the WR and RB lined up properly. Even if the offense was humming (it wasn’t), you can’t expect success when every drive has a 2nd or 3rd and long to overcome.

The jumping offsides on 4th and 1 was beyond stupid, but the coaches and the on-field leaders needed to be yelling at the DL not to jump.

And speaking of timeouts…the timeout at the end of the game was pointless; the outcome had been decided. The melee that ensued was predictable. Everyone knew Florida would just run the QB for as long as possible to run out the clock, and it was no surprise that a frustrated Tennessee player would try to get a shot at the QB. There was just no need for this at all, and Coach Heupel was responsible for it.

It was not a good night for our coaching staff at all.

Thank you, coach

 

[tennesseeduke]

Very poorly coached team. I thought we might have finally found a great one. Elitw coaches dont have that happen.

LOL Saban got torched last week and he is considered the greatest of all time.

 

[TWVol]

6-6 and he may not have the opportunity.

He’s not going anywhere this year.

 

[Butch s]

This is the first game in a while where I felt like we were outcoached. We have fans say that all the time but I can usually see the players not executing well so I'm hesitant to say it's the coaches fault. Tonight felt like both. Players were garbage and coaching seemed questionable at best. What a weird feeling. This had an eerie similarity to the Butch/Pruitt days.

It did have that feeling for me as well

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

It’s also the loss of one of the best QBs we’ve ever had who should have been a Heisman finalist. We’re seeing now how good he really was last year

 

[jeff1vol]

we got outcoached big time by Billy Napier of all people. The defensive players were repeatedly confused as to where to line up in the first half. But Florida wasn’t using a hurry-up offense, and they were running the same plays that they did against Utah. This was all about preparation; they should have known how to lineup against the pre-snap movement.

The offense was as undisciplined as ever. Way too many self-inflicted wounds with penalty yardage (mainly from the offensive line) and wasted timeouts because they couldn’t decide on a play or get the WR and RB lined up properly. Even if the offense was humming (it wasn’t), you can’t expect success when every drive has a 2nd or 3rd and long to overcome.

The jumping offsides on 4th and 1 was beyond stupid, but the coaches and the on-field leaders needed to be yelling at the DL not to jump.

And speaking of timeouts…the timeout at the end of the game was pointless; the outcome had been decided. The melee that ensued was predictable. Everyone knew Florida would just run the QB for as long as possible to run out the clock, and it was no surprise that a frustrated Tennessee player would try to get a shot at the QB. There was just no need for this at all, and Coach Heupel was responsible for it.

It was not a good night for our coaching staff at all.

This is inexcusable. Heupel and his "staff" should be embarrassed. I understand that your team MAY be lax for an early non-conference game, but to come up so ill-prepared and undisciplined is a HUGE red flag. Heupel may not be the savior of the program we thought he was. This is a TREND now. USC now UF. Inexcusable.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

It was a stinker for sure. Even good coaching staffs have one every now and then. Let’s see how they respond. Heupel used up some goodwill tonight for sure.

I think Hooker masked a lot of deficiencies.
Having Wright, Tillman etc, did t hurt that cause either.

 

[turbovol]

LOL Saban got torched last week and he is considered the greatest of all time.

Uh, you forgot to mention that he's also won, what, 7 national titles....

 

[sjt18]

We looked the part of a poorly coached team tonight.

I think the Tim Banks / Martinez experiment is over. Neither has shown anything to make anyone think they can get it done. Heupel better wake up and make some moves on that side of the ball.

Not sure about outcoached overall. UT had multiple chances to win the game in the 2nd half. Some were thwarted by questionable calls. More were prevented by missed plays.

Agree on Banks. People love to pick on Martinez but he didn't keep calling the zone crap that UF ate up the whole first half. The fact that it took 6 drives and a half time for Banks to put them in man and take those screens away... is a sign he's in over his head.

 

[Mccage]

we got outcoached big time by Billy Napier of all people. The defensive players were repeatedly confused as to where to line up in the first half. But Florida wasn’t using a hurry-up offense, and they were running the same plays that they did against Utah. This was all about preparation; they should have known how to lineup against the pre-snap movement.

The offense was as undisciplined as ever. Way too many self-inflicted wounds with penalty yardage (mainly from the offensive line) and wasted timeouts because they couldn’t decide on a play or get the WR and RB lined up properly. Even if the offense was humming (it wasn’t), you can’t expect success when every drive has a 2nd or 3rd and long to overcome.

The jumping offsides on 4th and 1 was beyond stupid, but the coaches and the on-field leaders needed to be yelling at the DL not to jump.

And speaking of timeouts…the timeout at the end of the game was pointless; the outcome had been decided. The melee that ensued was predictable. Everyone knew Florida would just run the QB for as long as possible to run out the clock, and it was no surprise that a frustrated Tennessee player would try to get a shot at the QB. There was just no need for this at all, and Coach Heupel was responsible for it.

It was not a good night for our coaching staff at all.

The one that was confused was the Freshman LB….we gonna miss Pill

 

[sjt18]

I think Hooker masked a lot of deficiencies.
Having Wright, Tillman etc, did t hurt that cause either.

Coaching deficiencies? No. He made plays. He made great decisions. He also became a player he had never been before BECAUSE of the coaching.

There was a particular replay shown of a throw to the corner of the end zone. A PI was missed which is what they seemed to want to look at. But the worst part is that on 3rd down with the game on the line Milton missed a dig route in the middle that was wide open and easy to extend the drive.

I think Milton is a physical monster. He seems to be a great guy and team mate. But I'm beginning to believe he's afflicted with JG syndrome. He has issues between the ears when the lights come on.

 

[sjt18]

The one that was confused was the Freshman LB….we gonna miss Pill

That was a big loss. Young guys are being thrown into the fire now. Good investment for late season and next year... but lots of mistakes that will have to be overcome.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

Coaching deficiencies? No. He made plays. He made great decisions. He also became a player he had never been before BECAUSE of the coaching.

There was a particular replay shown of a throw to the corner of the end zone. A PI was missed which is what they seemed to want to look at. But the worst part is that on 3rd down with the game on the line Milton missed a dig route in the middle that was wide open and easy to extend the drive.

I think Milton is a physical monster. He seems to be a great guy and team mate. But I'm beginning to believe he's afflicted with JB syndrome. He has issues between the ears when the lights come on.

No, not coaching deficiencies, but when a play broke down, Hooker could make something happen more often than not.
Tillman could get separation, Hyatt could get separation.
With D Wright, that was basically one edge that Hooker did not really have to worry about.
We are fine in the X’s And O’s department, we just have to get the players to execute.
I’m afraid you are spot on about Milton, between the ears.
This offense is too fast for him to run efficiently imo.

 

[sjt18]

No, not coaching deficiencies, but when a play broke down, Hooker could make something happen more often than not.
Tillman could get separation, Hyatt could get separation.

All of that plays together. I believe UT has quality WRs right now who can make plays if given the opportunity. IMO the thing Hooker had that is missing most is his ability to keep things from breaking down in the first place. Guys weren't running wide open for no reason. Heupel schemed it. Hooker executed it. When Ds made mistakes, Hooker took advantage.

I have never been anti-Milton and still am not. But he's not "seeing plays" like Hooker did. Many have said he doesn't have to be Hooker... but he has to be closer than he is in that particular respect.

With D Wright, that was basically one edge that Hooker did not really have to worry about.

I honestly haven't seen pass pro as a huge problem so far. There have been bad plays but that's typical of every team.

We are fine in the X’s And O’s department, we just have to get the players to execute.
I’m afraid you are spot on about Milton, between the ears.
This offense is too fast for him to run efficiently imo.

I do not want it to be true. I never wanted it to be true about JG. But the "rhythm" they're looking for can only happen if you don't have to slow things down so your QB can process.

My fear is that Nico isn't the answer quite yet. Whatever the case, QB play has to get better and it isn't the physical stuff... making it a much more complicated problem. If a player cannot translate practice to the field then "coaching him up" isn't likely to fix it.

 

[BreatheUT]

That was a big loss. Young guys are being thrown into the fire now. Good investment for late season and next year... but lots of mistakes that will have to be overcome.

We were trying to tell the knuckleheads early in the week....but oh we got tremendous depth according to them.

It's probably some of the same ones making terrible threads and ready to jump off the cliff now about Heupel, Banks, Milton, etc.

Milton missed plays but we were making enough if not multiple bad calls, lack of calls, or kicked football and still allowing substitutes by officiating at inopportune times we are positioned to still win.

 

[sjt18]

We were trying to tell the knuckleheads early in the week....but oh we got tremendous depth according to them.

There is depth and those young guys will develop faster for having been thrown into the fire. Problem is... you still have to endure the scars.

It's probably some of the same ones making terrible threads and ready to jump off the cliff now about Heupel, Banks, Milton, etc.

Milton missed plays but we were making enough if not multiple bad calls, lack of calls, or kicked football and still allowing substitutes by officiating at inopportune times we are positioned to still win.

I'm not sure because if the calls had been good... what then? Thornton made up for one of the missed PIs. The others... we'll just never know if UT could have made a play afterwards. Any of two or 3 PIs that were missed in the end zone would have put UT inside the 10. Heupel likely would have gone for it if they'd reached 4th down. We just don't know if the Vols would have taken advantage when they missed so many other chances.

I'm hard on officials generally. I want every call to go our way... but am realistic enough to know they want. All of the bad calls in this game went one way so it is idiotic to say that did not impact the game. We just can't know if it would have changed the outcome of the game. There were plays that still had to be made.

 

[cobbwebb0710]

All of that plays together. I believe UT has quality WRs right now who can make plays if given the opportunity. IMO the thing Hooker had that is missing most is his ability to keep things from breaking down in the first place. Guys weren't running wide open for no reason. Heupel schemed it. Hooker executed it. When Ds made mistakes, Hooker took advantage.

I have never been anti-Milton and still am not. But he's not "seeing plays" like Hooker did. Many have said he doesn't have to be Hooker... but he has to be closer than he is in that particular respect.


I honestly haven't seen pass pro as a huge problem so far. There have been bad plays but that's typical of every team.

I do not want it to be true. I never wanted it to be true about JG. But the "rhythm" they're looking for can only happen if you don't have to slow things down so your QB can process.

My fear is that Nico isn't the answer quite yet. Whatever the case, QB play has to get better and it isn't the physical stuff... making it a much more complicated problem. If a player cannot translate practice to the field then "coaching him up" isn't likely to fix it.

We are in the minority but there’s no way you trot Nico out this soon.
Milton is what we have in our arsenal at this time and some of it is on this staff.
If Milton can’t execute the offense properly, you have to give him something he can work with and call a game that fits his skill set rather than asking him to do something he can’t.
Again, this is all guessing on my part, I’m sitting in a recliner, watching every Saturday.

 

[Butch s]

We are in the minority but there’s no way you trot Nico out this soon.
Milton is what we have in our arsenal at this time and some of it is on this staff.
If Milton can’t execute the offense properly, you have to give him something he can work with and call a game that fits his skill set rather than asking him to do something he can’t.
Again, this is all guessing on my part, I’m sitting in a recliner, watching every Saturday.

You do realize what he can work with is handling the ball off, and bubble screens now. Seriously not much else, can’t throw on the run, can’t hit receivers crossing the field, only the fly route and that’s iffy at best

 

[Butch s]

I am really starting to get the feeling most on here who don’t want Nico to play yet, are just afraid of being proven wrong

 

[VolFaninFla]

Yup. And it looks like last year was an apparition as opposed to the norm

Apparition:
a ghost or ghostlike image of a person.
"a headless apparition"

Abberation:
a departure from what is normal, usual, or expected, typically one that is unwelcome.
"they described the outbreak of violence in the area as an aberration"

Although, after thinking about it, apparition may be right.

 

[NMVol]

Had me worried when he ran consecutive sweeps to opposite sidelines to open.