I hate our offensive scheme

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Eddie Vol Halen

Eddie Vol Halen

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It is offensive to all right-minded football sensibilities.

We've had the same problems with the "throw-game" for four years now. Didn't matter with Gatorade AA Worley back there or Dobbs. Dobbs can work on his accuracy but I think, for the most part, it's the other aspects of the "throw-game" that are broken - LoS pass protection, route running, catching the football all the way to the ground. You know, basic football stuff that is generally coached.

As bad as the scheme is for the "throw-game" it's the run game though that is truly offensive. If I never see a slow-developing, shotgun-read-zone-option-y-banana-2-11-omaha again I'll die a happy man. I cannot stand watching Jalen Hurd get the football from standstill.

Hurd is so great, IMHO, because he has created almost all of his yards ON HIS OWN for three seasons now. The Northwestern I-formations were beautiful, things of beauty. We've got the second incarnation of Earl Campbell and he gets the football at zero starting velocity. SMDH.

I'm assuming that with this veteran team we actually did work on new wrinkles on the offense in camp. It almost backfired on the BSiA but sticking to the Butch-standard playbook has not shown our hand.

We'll know a lot more next week.

I will say this - Butch has assembled a team for three years now that should beat the incarnation of the Florida Gators we have seen for the last three years (including this year). He hasn't done it. If he can't do it this year, the BSiA need to make way for Team Gruden. There is no way the BSiA has Don Mahoney and Coach Azz though, IMHO.
 
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An online poster who likely has no background in coaching, blasting the philosophy and scheme of a successful championship head coach. It's also an offensive scheme that former super bowl champion coach Jon Gruden has said that he loved and had great admiration for. Yet, a discussion forum poster pretends to know more... :whatever:

Yea, I bet OP knows more about building airplanes/jets than Josh Dobbs, more about space travel than NASA, or more about cosmetics than Mary Kay. And yet, with all that brilliant football knowledge, he remains a forum poster.
 
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It would help to have a QB who can throw...

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It just seems that the play takes so long to develop. The defense has no fear of our passing game and to be honest they shouldn't be.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It is offensive to all right-minded football sensibilities.

We've had the same problems with the "throw-game" for four years now. Didn't matter with Gatorade AA Worley back there or Dobbs. Dobbs can work on his accuracy but I think, for the most part, it's the other aspects of the "throw-game" that are broken - LoS pass protection, route running, catching the football all the way to the ground. You know, basic football stuff that is generally coached.

As bad as the scheme is for the "throw-game" it's the run game though that is truly offensive. If I never see a slow-developing, shotgun-read-zone-option-y-banana-2-11-omaha again I'll die a happy man. I cannot stand watching Jalen Hurd get the football from standstill.

Hurd is so great, IMHO, because he has created almost all of his yards ON HIS OWN for three seasons now. The Northwestern I-formations were beautiful, things of beauty. We've got the second incarnation of Earl Campbell and he gets the football at zero starting velocity. SMDH.

I'm assuming that with this veteran team we actually did work on new wrinkles on the offense in camp. It almost backfired on the BSiA but sticking to the Butch-standard playbook has not shown our hand.

We'll know a lot more next week.

I will say this - Butch has assembled a team for three years now that should beat the incarnation of the Florida Gators we have seen for the last three years (including this year). He hasn't done it. If he can't do it this year, the BSiA need to make way for Team Gruden. There is no way the BSiA has Don Mahoney and Coach Azz though, IMHO.
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Dude I wish you would stop harping so much about the best staff in America thing. Butch was freaking joking around when hs said that. Please stop with the Gruden talk. Tell me what proof do you have that Gruden can succeed at the collegiate level?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dude I wish you would stop harping so much about the best staff in America thing. Butch was freaking joking around when hs said that. Please stop with the Gruden talk. Tell me what proof do you have that Gruden can succeed at the collegiate level?
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Meh, I don't think so. He said it in his opening press conference when he was hired and was selling his plan to Volnation on how he was going to bring Tennessee back to prominence. That's NO place for sarcasm.
 
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I don't think the offensive scheme is the problem. It's been the Qb's who've run it under Butch. Worley couldn't run or pass with accuracy, and obviously Dobbs is inaccurate as well.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It is offensive to all right-minded football sensibilities.

We've had the same problems with the "throw-game" for four years now. Didn't matter with Gatorade AA Worley back there or Dobbs. Dobbs can work on his accuracy but I think, for the most part, it's the other aspects of the "throw-game" that are broken - LoS pass protection, route running, catching the football all the way to the ground. You know, basic football stuff that is generally coached.

As bad as the scheme is for the "throw-game" it's the run game though that is truly offensive. If I never see a slow-developing, shotgun-read-zone-option-y-banana-2-11-omaha again I'll die a happy man. I cannot stand watching Jalen Hurd get the football from standstill.

Hurd is so great, IMHO, because he has created almost all of his yards ON HIS OWN for three seasons now. The Northwestern I-formations were beautiful, things of beauty. We've got the second incarnation of Earl Campbell and he gets the football at zero starting velocity. SMDH.

I'm assuming that with this veteran team we actually did work on new wrinkles on the offense in camp. It almost backfired on the BSiA but sticking to the Butch-standard playbook has not shown our hand.

We'll know a lot more next week.

I will say this - Butch has assembled a team for three years now that should beat the incarnation of the Florida Gators we have seen for the last three years (including this year). He hasn't done it. If he can't do it this year, the BSiA need to make way for Team Gruden. There is no way the BSiA has Don Mahoney and Coach Azz though, IMHO.
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Good grief Eddie, tell me you're not part of the Bigfoot has hidden the signed Gruden coaches UT contract (sworn by some VN posters to have been viewed with their own eyes) and been walking around with it in his thong to be brought forward to save the program lo these many years conspiracy??
 
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vols 30 said:
I don't think the offensive scheme is the problem. It's been the Qb's who've run it under Butch. Worley couldn't run or pass with accuracy, and obviously Dobbs is inaccurate as well.
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If the third (or fifth, depending on if you count the prior back ups) QB to run it still isn't wildly successful, would you revisit your stance?
 
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One of the major problems with our offensive scheme that I see is that it is too predictable. The misdirection is not so misdirected.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
It is offensive to all right-minded football sensibilities.

We've had the same problems with the "throw-game" for four years now. Didn't matter with Gatorade AA Worley back there or Dobbs. Dobbs can work on his accuracy but I think, for the most part, it's the other aspects of the "throw-game" that are broken - LoS pass protection, route running, catching the football all the way to the ground. You know, basic football stuff that is generally coached.

As bad as the scheme is for the "throw-game" it's the run game though that is truly offensive. If I never see a slow-developing, shotgun-read-zone-option-y-banana-2-11-omaha again I'll die a happy man. I cannot stand watching Jalen Hurd get the football from standstill.

Hurd is so great, IMHO, because he has created almost all of his yards ON HIS OWN for three seasons now. The Northwestern I-formations were beautiful, things of beauty. We've got the second incarnation of Earl Campbell and he gets the football at zero starting velocity. SMDH.

I'm assuming that with this veteran team we actually did work on new wrinkles on the offense in camp. It almost backfired on the BSiA but sticking to the Butch-standard playbook has not shown our hand.

We'll know a lot more next week.

I will say this - Butch has assembled a team for three years now that should beat the incarnation of the Florida Gators we have seen for the last three years (including this year). He hasn't done it. If he can't do it this year, the BSiA need to make way for Team Gruden. There is no way the BSiA has Don Mahoney and Coach Azz though, IMHO.
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Our offensive scheme is just fine if we have a Qb who can throw anything beyond 10-15 yard down field.
 
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When Dobbs isn't unleashed to run, offense doesn't work. Finally decided to unleash him at UGA LY, and it worked. He had 7 runs against Ark, and were completely out of sync. It's almost like he needs the rushes and to get hit to get in the flow. When he is unleashed, at least it seems to make everything else work better...even our average at best passing game. That being said, this is who we are until Dormandy or JG, who seem to be better passers are in the spot. IF not going to run Dobbs, may as well put in others. All this, assuming that Debord and O Line performs better in coming weeks than an average high school team.
 
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Back when Whorley was here we cringed at him running the spread cause he wasn't a run threat......now we have the perfect spread Qb in Dobbs but they don't allow him to run. Debord is an old school offence guy but He was picked to be our OC. It is all so confusing at times. BUTCH needs to educate us some more to understand I guess.
 
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while I'm at it, I'm not pretending to be a offensive coordinator guru, but we have the high dependence on short passing game, yet completely ignored quick hit passes to WR's or Kamara, where DB's were playing 10-15 yards back. If the idea is to get ball in hands of playmakers, that would have seemed to be a no brainer. If the idea was not to show too much, and just run Jalen up the middle all game, that rationale doesn't really work because other teams have enough tape on us to know our tendencies. I also would have thrown at least 5-6 more deep balls, even if they didn't work, to give VT something else to think about. Now they know, in general, that STILL not too interested in throwing deep and can pack in the front 7.
 
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vols 30 said:
I don't think the offensive scheme is the problem. It's been the Qb's who've run it under Butch. Worley couldn't run or pass with accuracy, and obviously Dobbs is inaccurate as well.
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We had a lot of WR issues the previous two years---too many receivers being run in and out of the lineup a couple of years ago--no cohesion, and a lot of injuries. Our best WR, Howard, got kicked off the team; North and Croom were/are /always/ injured; Malone was/remains raw; we don't throw to Smith enough. I think our pass game will be better this year. Play-calling was big problem against App State. Kamara having only three touches or so going into the fourth quarter was insanity. Our offense is a bit predictable and shouldn't be.
 
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App St had seen enough film to know how we line up and where the back was likely to run. I believe they just thought they could run over App St.. Turns out they couldn't.. The play calling is predictable yes , but they should have executed better in the Oline and been able to run effectively enough to get first downs..

Getting rid of Sam Pittman was not a good move.

Tennessee has the personnel to be very good in the Oline, They're not coaching them right or just don't have the personnel in the game.. It's on the coaches either way.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
If the third (or fifth, depending on if you count the prior back ups) QB to run it still isn't wildly successful, would you revisit your stance?
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I think next year will be the year the offense shines on a consistent basis.
 
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