I had no idea you could get a tech for flopping...

[ClockworkOrange]

We recorded the game and the replay was really messed up (tiling and freezing up), so it's possible that I missed some explanation of what happened. But it appeared to be that the refs called a tech on FSU for flopping?

 

[calban]

I've seen it called several different ways this season. Some will call it a block. some give a warning and some call a tech or delay of game. don't think the refs know the rule yet.

 

[Power T-Rev]

They said that a flop is a class B foul. If you get warned and then flop again. It's a technical foul

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I hope that nobody told Penny.

 

[cardvolfan]

I hope that nobody told Penny.

When this rule was approved, and remember that Barnes is on the rules committee, I heard Hardaway had a panic attack and had to be admitted to the UT Medical Center facilities for evaluation.

 

[savannahfan]

We recorded the game and the replay was really messed up (tiling and freezing up), so it's possible that I missed some explanation of what happened. But it appeared to be that the refs called a tech on FSU for flopping?

The did. New rule as I understood it. The announcers were saying it should have the same effect on the game as hooking calls made last year are now allowing many fewer hooking calls,as players are starting to get into their thick heads not to do it.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

It was a tech because FSU had already been warned for a delay of game earlier in the game. 2 warnings = a tech.

 

[Hacksaw]

I like it. Something needs to be done to stop the europeanization of basketball, IMO. Save that drama queen BS for the soccer pitch.

 

[vols 30]

I like it. Something needs to be done to stop the europeanization of basketball, IMO. Save that drama queen BS for the NBA.

FYP

 

[Tstormtrooper]

I just love the fact that it will help put and end to it. It was one of the better decisions by the rules committee

 

[rdk4121]

I'm very in favor of the rule. They call those against Memphis last year and we win by 25 points. Should help us this year as well.

 

[Hacksaw]

FYP

It's probably too late for the NBA. But maybe we can nip it in the bud in the college game.

 

[cardvolfan]

I was wondering if somewhat smarter than me, realizing that would be everyone, could explain the class B violations, how the delay of game penalty fits in, and the ensuing flopping call comes in relation to all of these.

 

[Kosmalski]

I called it before the Refs did.

We would have beat Memphis by 40 with this rule last year

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I called it before the Refs did.

We would have beat Memphis by 40 with this rule last year

Yeah but the game would have run nearly 4 hours...

 

[Kosmalski]

Yeah but the game would have run nearly 4 hours...

True

 

[ColinS]

I can just see Duke still getting away with it while their opponent is hit woth a technical for it with 2 seconds in a tie game.

 

[TrapVol]

I was wondering if somewhat smarter than me, realizing that would be everyone, could explain the class B violations, how the delay of game penalty fits in, and the ensuing flopping call comes in relation to all of these.

From what I could tell from what the announcers were saying, both were class b violations, so the two combined resulted in a technical.

 

[nirwin]

I was wondering if somewhat smarter than me, realizing that would be everyone, could explain the class B violations, how the delay of game penalty fits in, and the ensuing flopping call comes in relation to all of these.

Class A technical fouls involve either unsportsmanlike conduct (arguing with the officials, taunting the opposition, etc.) or contact with an opponent (shoving, for example). This results in the standard two shots and counts as both a personal foul for the player (assuming the technical wasn't given to a coach) and a team foul for the team. Get charged with two class A technical fouls in a game and you're ejected.

Class B technicals involve neither unsportsmanlike conduct nor contact with the opponent. Hanging on the rim (which one could argue is unsportsmanlike, but by the rule is not) is the most common way to get this. There are also a couple of ways to get a warning, delay of game and flopping being two. Essentially, if a team accrues two warnings in a game (or two infractions that would lead to a warning), the individual responsible for the second infraction is assessed a class B technical foul. The penalty for that is one foul shot, and no personal foul or team foul is charged. If an individual gets charged with either three class B technicals or one class A and two class B, though, then they're ejected. Additional warnable infractions after the second result in additional class B technical fouls.

So, Florida State had already been warned for delay of game after they touched the ball instead of letting us pick it up to inbound after a made basket. They were then charged for flopping, which was their second warnable infraction, meaning they were charged a class B technical.

There are also "administrative" technical fouls, the penalty for which is similar to a class B (one shot, no team foul) and is given for things like having six players on the floor, calling a timeout when you don't have any, not filling the scorebook out properly, equipment infractions, etc.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

I love it and have seen it called A LOT already this season. Only bad thing is it's sorta a judgement call like PI in football.

 

[leejoek]

It's probably too late for the NBA. But maybe we can nip it in the bud in the college game.

The NBA will also fine the player for the flop.

 

[Lefteye]

Class A technical fouls involve either unsportsmanlike conduct (arguing with the officials, taunting the opposition, etc.) or contact with an opponent (shoving, for example). This results in the standard two shots and counts as both a personal foul for the player (assuming the technical wasn't given to a coach) and a team foul for the team. Get charged with two class A technical fouls in a game and you're ejected.

Class B technicals involve neither unsportsmanlike conduct nor contact with the opponent. Hanging on the rim (which one could argue is unsportsmanlike, but by the rule is not) is the most common way to get this. There are also a couple of ways to get a warning, delay of game and flopping being two. Essentially, if a team accrues two warnings in a game (or two infractions that would lead to a warning), the individual responsible for the second infraction is assessed a class B technical foul. The penalty for that is one foul shot, and no personal foul or team foul is charged. If an individual gets charged with either three class B technicals or one class A and two class B, though, then they're ejected. Additional warnable infractions after the second result in additional class B technical fouls.

So, Florida State had already been warned for delay of game after they touched the ball instead of letting us pick it up to inbound after a made basket. They were then charged for flopping, which was their second warnable infraction, meaning they were charged a class B technical.

There are also "administrative" technical fouls, the penalty for which is similar to a class B (one shot, no team foul) and is given for things like having six players on the floor, calling a timeout when you don't have any, not filling the scorebook out properly, equipment infractions, etc.

Good info. I had been thinking it took a warning for the same violation to lead to a T. But reading this sounds like a sideline warning or coach out of the box and then a flop would lead to a class B Tech.?

 

[nirwin]

Good info. I had been thinking it took a warning for the same violation to lead to a T. But reading this sounds like a sideline warning or coach out of the box and then a flop would lead to a class B Tech.?

Correct, any warning serves as a team warning, so the next offense that would result in a warning is charged as a class B technical regardless of whether or not it has anything to do with the initial warning.

 

[FrankenVol54]

It's because of this:

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

I didn't know either. Switched to briefs to be safe.