I guess what bothers me is this....

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'Boro-vol

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The bowl games are supposed to be the opportunity for your team to match up with an out of conference opponent that you seldom, if ever, get to play. This is usually done in front of a fairly captive national audience.

Let's face it, Tennessee has an uphill battle with the national media and the general football public outside of our region. You either love us or hate us. When we lose in lower tier bowl games like the Outback Bowl vs a team we were widely expected to beat handily it goes a long way toward diminishing a proud history and tarnishing our reputation as a respected power. That is not easily repaired.

And it is beginning to be the rule rather than the exception. Bowlgames are opportunities that shouldn't be lightly squandered. Future generations of player prospects and fans are forming their long-term impressions in the present. Losing in such a fashion can have implications far down the road.
 
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blaker024 said:
yep. true. we've gotta deal with it though, nothing can be done now.
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No offense, but that attitude is partly to blame for the situation. When will we all get tired of bankrolling and supporting a mediocre product?

Somebody has to identify and solve the problem or it will never change. And there seems to be be a significant hesitation to do so.

Pull the band-aid off quickly and move on.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
The bowl games are supposed to be the opportunity for your team to match up with an out of conference opponent that you seldom, if ever, get to play. This is usually done in front of a fairly captive national audience.

Let's face it, Tennessee has an uphill battle with the national media and the general football public outside of our region. You either love us or hate us. When we lose in lower tier bowl games like the Outback Bowl vs a team we were widely expected to beat handily it goes a long way toward diminishing a proud history and tarnishing our reputation as a respected power. That is not easily repaired.

And it is beginning to be the rule rather than the exception. Bowlgames are opportunities that shouldn't be lightly squandered. Future generations of player prospects and fans are forming their long-term impressions in the present. Losing in such a fashion can have implications far down the road.
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ok, that's a bit dramatic for my taste....i understand why you feel that way, after that performance yesterday.

but there have been plenty of traditional programs that have fallen on "hard times" only to come back and be relevant again, and mind you, we aren't that far back yet....it's not like we've strug together years and years of losing seasons etc...

look at OK, USC and TX for example. all three of those programs went thru times of deep mediocrity and are now three of the top programs in the country.

the truyly great programs come back. they always do.

and while yesterday doesn't exactly instill the greatest amount of confidence, we haven't fallen that far back...at least not so far back that we can't see the front of the line anymore. More like we're in the middle trying to find a way to cut in front.
 
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jakez4ut said:
look at OK, USC and TX for example. all three of those programs went thru times of deep mediocrity and are now three of the top programs in the country.

the truyly great programs come back. they always do.
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All those programs got rid of the coaches that were holding them back and hired Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, and Mack Brown.

UT can either follow their lead, or watch Urban Meyer take over the SEC.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
No offense, but that attitude is partly to blame for the situation. When will we all get tired of bankrolling and supporting a mediocre product?

Somebody has to identify and solve the problem or it will never change. And there seems to be be a significant hesitation to do so.

Pull the band-aid off quickly and move on.
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I would love Tennessee football if we went 0-12 on the season. I would be dissapointed, but I wouldn't abandon the team.
 
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kptvol said:
All those programs got rid of the coaches that were holding them back and hired Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, and Mack Brown.

UT can either follow their lead, or watch Urban Meyer take over the SEC.
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none of those coaches were the first guy hired to replace the guy that got them there in the first place.

i'm all for replacing fulmer if necessary. but the thing i don't want to happen is that we get stuck in that same rut that LSU, Bama, Ga etc...got stuck in with a bunch of lame duck hires. yeah, they all finally got "the guy", but they all had to endure some real "winners" to get there.

If/when we make a coaching change, i hope we do it the right way and get the right guy for the job.

keep in mind, the tenure that TN has shown it's previous two coaches will bode well to any potential hires out there and should help us in the long run when we do go after "the guy" we may eventually want.
 
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jakez4ut said:
ok, that's a bit dramatic for my taste....i understand why you feel that way, after that performance yesterday.

but there have been plenty of traditional programs that have fallen on "hard times" only to come back and be relevant again, and mind you, we aren't that far back yet....it's not like we've strug together years and years of losing seasons etc...

look at OK, USC and TX for example. all three of those programs went thru times of deep mediocrity and are now three of the top programs in the country.

the truyly great programs come back. they always do.

and while yesterday doesn't exactly instill the greatest amount of confidence, we haven't fallen that far back...at least not so far back that we can't see the front of the line anymore. More like we're in the middle trying to find a way to cut in front.
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I wasn't trying to be dramatic, but I may have strayed somewhat from my point.

The seeming institutional malaise over the situation bothers me, and I believe, contributes to a sense of mediocrity. The fact that the situation doesn't seem bad enough to many for us to make drastic changes is troubling.

The attitude seems to be, "Many teams would be thrilled with a 9 win season and a New Years Day Bowl."

It is that attitude that sticks with future fans and recruits. We got much of the top talent over the last few years because they grew up in the 90's watching Peyton, T', Al, Peerless, Big John, and Leonard contending for Championships and became familiar with our winning tradition.

What effect will the publics perception of the last 8 years have on us in the future?
 
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blaker024 said:
I would love Tennessee football if we went 0-12 on the season. I would be dissapointed, but I wouldn't abandon the team.
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As will I, and I wasn't suggesting anyone do otherwise. But I don't have to support the direction of a program that seems to be spinning it's wheels. How bad is bad enough?
 
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jakez4ut said:
If/when we make a coaching change, i hope we do it the right way and get the right guy for the job.

keep in mind, the tenure that TN has shown it's previous two coaches will bode well to any potential hires out there and should help us in the long run when we do go after "the guy" we may eventually want.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am just concerned with how far we will have slipped before th administration deems a change necessary.

It won't be a situation like 'Bama has faced. This will be, in every respect, a very desirable job. But how long do we wait?
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am just concerned with how far we will have slipped before th administration deems a change necessary.

It won't be a situation like 'Bama has faced. This will be, in every respect, a very desirable job. But how long do we wait?
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we will be down soon to being a .500 team it is just the way it will happen. to many better coaches in the SEC. i have lost alot of respect for hamilton.
 
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blaker024 said:
I would love Tennessee football if we went 0-12 on the season. I would be dissapointed, but I wouldn't abandon the team.
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I wouldn't abandon the team i would hire them a crack shot coach so they could have better chance
next year :) :) :)
 
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