I guess im in for a coaching change now, but Gruden is not our guy.....

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kcartledge85 said:
I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
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So in other words you don't want a coach that extremely successful? Because if we get a coach, ANY coach that's extremely successful the NFL and othe major schools will come after them. Your argument against Gruden are without merit.
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kcartledge85 said:
I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
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I love what Fulmer did in his heyday. While I believe he is a VFL, I question how much he loved the program. If he did he wouldn't have sat on his laurels and let it go to hell. He didn't even bother to recruit seriously before being let go.

Gruden, I will be castrated for this but hiring him will be a disaster. He already has a big ego as in he can do no wrong. His record as a coach isn't all some try to crack it up to be. If you think CDD is bad, you will be stunned at what will happen if Gruden is hired. He's a great rocking chair coach but not a field coach.

I say again, what Dooley needs after genuinely turning the offense around, is a proven defensive coordinator and a proven defensive coach.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Well written post, but I don't agree with any post that suggest or elude to CDD being replaced. I think everyone's facts are misleading and self-serving. CDD only has two recuiting classes under his belt, that means Freshman and Sophmores are being held responsible for saving his job.......IS football so important to all you, that all this rumbling is worth it, has life become so boring that UT Football fills your void. I'm serious, if you have a room painted O&W, and everything you own some how is wraped around UT Football.......I am guessing your home and business life is not what you might say is what you thought it would be........back away a few feet and look at yourself....you are trashing a bunch of 19-20 year old men and a coach who is eating and sleeping UT Football. Isn't that what we wanted for someone to come and rebuild the program? One or two teams does not build what Saban has built. Highering and Firing will give these other schools all they need to get that 4/5 star recuit. However, a VOLNATION who stands behind its team and coach builds a program and legacy.......ask CPF, he had it once and knows. None of what UT achieved up to 1998 was easy and great to watch, but I say CPF built a program off the backs of many teams, not one.
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No one is arguing about what Saban has built. The fact is Saban took his team and showed improvement each year from his start at Alabama. That has yet to be done here, moral victories and the fact that the o-line is looking better doesn't win games and put people in the stands. Three years is more than enough to show progress in winning games each year, something Dooley can't do.
 
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kcartledge85 said:
Where did anyone say we could't get a better coach? I have no doubt that we can get a better coach than Dooley, but i don't want a better coach that's going to be here for 3 years and were left doing this all over again.

AGAIN...... WE NEED STABILITY!
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You need to stop being so paranoid...You have no idea what a new coach will do or won't do...He might be here for 20 years or he might leave after 3 or 4 but that is the nature of the beast...If that happens then it does, You can't make someone STAY where they don't want to be....There are no guarantees...None
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I love what Fulmer did in his heyday. While I believe he is a VFL, I question how much he loved the program. If he did he wouldn't have sat on his laurels and let it go to hell. He didn't even bother to recruit seriously before being let go.

Gruden, I will be castrated for this but hiring him will be a disaster. He already has a big ego as in he can do no wrong. His record as a coach isn't all some try to crack it up to be. If you think CDD is bad, you will be stunned at what will happen if Gruden is hired. He's a great rocking chair coach but not a field coach.

I say again, what Dooley needs after genuinely turning the offense around, is a proven defensive coordinator and a proven defensive coach.
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You are absolutely ridiculous...There is a REASON why most teams want Jon Gruden....Do not fool yourself, Almost every NFL team that has an opening goes after him only to be shot down...He is a WINNER...Period....He could turn this program into a monster if he is hired and if you don't see that then you are completely blind.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
You are absolutely ridiculous...There is a REASON why most teams want Jon Gruden....Do not fool yourself, Almost every NFL team that has an opening goes after him only to be shot down...He is a WINNER...Period....He could turn this program into a monster if he is hired and if you don't see that then you are completely blind.
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Yes, Oh mighty god of Grudenism and lye soap bubbles. Dial and Olay are actually breakfast cereals.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
No need to respond when someone says we can't get a better coach so let's continue with Dooley. Another year and this program will sink even further. An enthusiastic new coach can do wonders just look down the road to Vandy. As much as I hate Franklin he runs circles around Dooley.
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dooley 1-0 v franklin

dont get me wrong dooley needs to go IF we can get a PROVEN coach. not some guy your taking a chance on. the program cant survive that again.

sunseri has to go either way. hes terrible
 
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snake_anthony said:
Homeboy. Do you understand what question marks mean? Dang. I probably shouldn't ask a question again. You'll just think it's a statement.

All I remember was his consant *****ing about something. He did pull him out of school. And bring him home.
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Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic like I was supposed to know that for sure. I dont recall any issues with Bryce's parents
 
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For those with short term memory loss and who just didn't know, Brian Kelley was begging for this job, begging, and Hamilton went with Kiffin and daddy. So we did have quality coaches wanting this job Hamilton screwed the pooch all away around.
 
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Manvol said:
For those with short term memory loss and who just didn't know, Brian Kelley was begging for this job, begging, and Hamilton went with Kiffin and daddy. So we did have quality coaches wanting this job Hamilton screwed the pooch all away around.
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you don't know what your talking about.
 
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kcartledge85 said:
I'll start this by saying that i'm a huge Dooley supporter. I understands everyone's frustration with the team, but coach Dooley is our current coach and that means he has my support no matter what. I'm also a little older than some people and grew up with coach Fulmer. Say what you wanted about Phil, he is the definition of VFL and loves the program. In Phil, we also had a long tenure coach and we didn't have to worry about these coaching changes.

Anyways, back to the upcoming coaching change that will probably take place at the end of the season. As I stated, i'm a supporter of Dooleys, but this team's defense is historically bad and something has to change and I cant see Dooley keeping his job and UT bringing in a 3rd defensive cord in 3 years.

So that leaves us with needing a new Head Man and Vol fans screaming for John Gruden. As someone that it tired of seeing new faces on the coaching staff each year, I think hiring Gruden would be a major mistake. I think UT needs to try and and find a candidate that will be with the program for a decade.

Lets be real, that's not John Gruden! While he would be an amazing recruiter and would definitely help the program get back on its feet, it wouldn't last more than 3 or 4 years at the most. Gruden in a NFL coach and NFL teams will continue to pull at his coat tails the rest of his life and eventually he will return to The League. Does anyone really think john Gruden is going to put up with boasters and players parents storming into his office crying about their sons playing tine situation. Good god, no!

UT needs to look long term with the new coaching change and try and find a candidate that can turn in a Fulmer type tenure so that our program can restore its stability.

Stability is the key to success in College Football.
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Stopped reading right here.
 
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If you read the recruiting forum, it seems recruits feel DD may not return, but our RBs coach has assured them he will be staying even if Dooley does not. Maybe a hire has already been made. We could only hope!
 
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Manvol said:
I'll consider the source, and yes it is common knowledge he wanted the this job after ND hired oleary.
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If you read the recruiting forum, it seems recruits feel DD may not return, but our RBs coach has assured them he will be staying even if Dooley does not. Maybe a hire has already been made. We could only hope!
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Crossed fingers
 
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UrbanCryer said:
dooley 1-0 v franklin

dont get me wrong dooley needs to go IF we can get a PROVEN coach. not some guy your taking a chance on. the program cant survive that again.

sunseri has to go either way. hes terrible
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I like how the sunshine pumpers want to give Dooley more time, but want to fire Sunseri after one year. Fire em all except Graham & Pittman.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
So in other words you don't want a coach that extremely successful? Because if we get a coach, ANY coach that's extremely successful the NFL and othe major schools will come after them. Your argument against Gruden are without merit.
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I expressed my reasonings behind not wanting John Gruden as our next coach and you turn it into, "ANY coach thats extremely successful".

When you say a person's name, it usually means youre referring to an singular individual.
 
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Vols4us said:
Funny thread. Funny OP.

Bama went big. Ohio State went big. USCe went big. LSU, Oregon, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A&M, etc. all went with proven, winning head coaches from lesser schools that brought great staffs and systems. Florida State, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc. went with proven, top coordinators of proven, high profile programs.

All of those programs are what UT claimed to be in the past and present. Now that the future is here, did UT follow the path to success of all of the above listed schools? No. They hired an unproven coach who had never been a coordinator that had a losing record from a lesser school. How did that turn out? Yet, we have complete morons in our fan base that want to retain him. Unbelievable.

Either UT is a big time school that goes with a big time hire or even a major step up hire - or - Cheek, the BOT, Hart and major boosters desire to downsize the scope and mission of the football program. As fans we should support or dump them accordingly.
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Amen Brother!
 
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