I figured out the Dooley hate....

#326
#326
DD4ME said:
As proof of point for the Kiffin lovers, we were a great team last year against Bama, and our record at the end of the season was what??? In between that performance we were not great often and many people justify that as ok because of our limitations. Because we were "turning it around"!
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A couple of very well-played games doesn't make a team great, and I don't think anyone ever claimed they were last year.
 
#327
#327
sjt18 said:
Why would a coach with a bright future like many of those mentioned take a job at a school in the nation's toughest conference, with a roster so depleted that as many as 15 scholarships will be filled by walk ons, with a shaky public image in the wake of CLK, with the NCAA snooping around, and a fan base impatient enough to fire a guy that avg'd over 9 wins per season?

The very simple answer is that they wouldn't... not at any price that a CFB HC will be paid.
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+1

Great Post
 
#328
#328
buckeyevol23 said:
A couple of very well-played games doesn't make a team great, and I don't think anyone ever claimed they were last year.
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Wasn't saying anyone did or that I thought we were a great team for the year. I was saying that people were more optimistic because of signs of team success and games we played great. My bigger point is just cause Kiff left we shouldn't erase the optimism until we see what this team and coach can show.
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#329
#329
DD4ME said:
Wasn't saying anyone did or that I thought we were a great team for the year. I was saying that people were more optimistic because of signs of team success and games we played great. My bigger point is just cause Kiff left we shouldn't erase the optimism until we see what this team and coach can show.
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Yeah, great was never a good word.

Which team is more worthy of taking pride in:

2009 Tennessee Vols
2009 Georgia Bulldogs
 
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#333
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Expectation levels.

Dooley isn't out there running his mouth, building false expectations, and trashing the rest of the conference's elite coaches. There is no use building up a team that is depleted from depth in a lot of important positions, and Dooley knows this. We have a "I'm gonna prove it as I go" guy, instead of a guy who thinks stealing a recruit from Florida is what makes success on the football field. Oh wait, and that guy is off the team. Just because you can talk a good game, doesn't mean you know how to get the job done.

Dooley is going to prove he is a good coach, not only by his actions, but by employing up and coming coaches here during his tenure. We will probably see coaching turn around every 2-3 years, and that is a VERY good sign that you have a successful program in the making. I also believe that Chaney will make Dooley more of a success, as soon as we build that OL depth up the next couple of years.

I'm excited for the season to start, even if I know that we may not have a good record at the end, but we will have a GREAT team. Wins and losses don't define a great team, IMO. Sometimes, it is what it is.
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This...THIS...is why you're a guru, and rightfully so.

Go Vols.
 
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#334
sjt18 said:
Kyle Whittingham said no thanks. He would have been paid significantly more than he's now making or than Dooley is now making.

The Gruden delusion is laughable... and he certainly isn't someone who would let his career be tarnished because two other guys left a program in rough shape.

I don't think alot of you guys have even attempted to put yourselves in the shoes of these possible coaches. Dooley was right about the '10 recruiting class... it was "fragile". But that is still true of the whole program.

Why would a coach with a bright future like many of those mentioned take a job at a school in the nation's toughest conference, with a roster so depleted that as many as 15 scholarships will be filled by walk ons, with a shaky public image in the wake of CLK, with the NCAA snooping around, and a fan base impatient enough to fire a guy that avg'd over 9 wins per season?

The very simple answer is that they wouldn't... not at any price that a CFB HC will be paid.
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And this is why you SHOULD be a guru.

Go Vols.
 
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#335
sjt18 said:
The very simple answer is that they wouldn't... not at any price that a CFB HC will be paid.
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Then maybe they should step it up. A whole bunch of money spent on a great coach won't be a bad investment.

That being said, I'm not sure we would have gotten anyone great, but to not try in that situation is almost depressing.
 
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#336
Lane was going to struggle this year too. I liked Lanes staff and his daddy, his demeanor i never cared for. You can be a good coach without acting like a assclown. I don't think he did the things he did to bring attention to Tennessee as much as was bringing attention to Lane Kiffin. He's a drama queen and Tennessee is better off at least image wise without him.
 
#338
#338
Volfootball55 said:
He won their first bowl game in 33 years. It takes more then 3 years to rebuild one of the worst teams in the country. Ask anyone around there and they will tell you he was on the right track, he was rebuilding that program from scratch. A lot of you don't understand everything it takes to have a successful consistent football program, and the amount of time it takes to do that at a place like LA Tech. Bottom line is he is very highly thought of in coaching circles, was under Saban for 7 years, then had the balls to go somewhere like LA Tech where he knew the chance of success would be slim to none. I respect him for that, and I think he is going to have success here.
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this
 
#339
#339
tvolsfan said:
Then maybe they should step it up. A whole bunch of money spent on a great coach won't be a bad investment.

That being said, I'm not sure we would have gotten anyone great, but to not try in that situation is almost depressing.
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I'm not sure what you aren't getting. They TRIED. Schools don't really "offer" jobs anymore unless they know the offer will be accepted. To save face they just give overtures to the agent... hypotheticals go back and forth until someone calls it off or both accept. We pretty much KNOW that UT approached 2 or more NFL coaches plus Cut, Muschamp, Whittingham, Calhoun, and probably 2-8 more before Dooley.

IIRC, the rumors concerning Lovie Smith would have made him the best paid coach in CFB. Muschamp was going to be in the upper third of the SEC at worst.

These guys looked at the job and realized there was just too much career risk involved. It wasn't a matter of not trying to find the best guys... it was a matter of the best guys not being sold on the situation they would inherit.

My hope is that Dooley will either be successful... I'd say maybe a 20%-35% chance or that he'll leave the team with a better roster. Together I think there's about a 90% chance of one of those happening. If it is the latter then UT will be an attractive situation for some other rising star.
 
#340
#340
Incipient said:
Yeah, great was never a good word.

Which team is more worthy of taking pride in:

2009 Tennessee Vols
2009 Georgia Bulldogs
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I'd say the vols but I'm partial :)
Good point though. I just don't get the Kiff lovin and DD bashing is my thing. Different styles yes but if you can jump on one train why not the other?
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#341
#341
sjt18 said:
Kyle Whittingham said no thanks. He would have been paid significantly more than he's now making or than Dooley is now making.

The Gruden delusion is laughable... and he certainly isn't someone who would let his career be tarnished because two other guys left a program in rough shape.

I don't think alot of you guys have even attempted to put yourselves in the shoes of these possible coaches. Dooley was right about the '10 recruiting class... it was "fragile". But that is still true of the whole program.

Why would a coach with a bright future like many of those mentioned take a job at a school in the nation's toughest conference, with a roster so depleted that as many as 15 scholarships will be filled by walk ons, with a shaky public image in the wake of CLK, with the NCAA snooping around, and a fan base impatient enough to fire a guy that avg'd over 9 wins per season?

The very simple answer is that they wouldn't... not at any price that a CFB HC will be paid.
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So what you're saying is that the head coaching job at the University of Tennessee is a joke and anybody accepting that job is a fool? If they are that ignorant I wouldn't want them to be the head coach for my football team and you sir are an ignorant ass, not to mention surely know nothing about the University of Tennessee football.
 
#342
#342
hmanvolfan said:
So what you're saying is that the head coaching job at the University of Tennessee is a joke and anybody accepting that job is a fool? If they are that ignorant I wouldn't want them to be the head coach for my football team and you sir are an ignorant ass, not to mention surely know nothing about the University of Tennessee football.
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The squirrel speaks the truth.
 
#344
#344
I don't hate DD, but I did hate the situation he was brought into. Believe it or not things could be worse. We could have Troy Calhoun and the flex/wish bone, triple option offense.

Muschamp is sitting on a gold mine at Texas. I've already heard people call him a dumbass, jumping ship from Texas would confirm that notion.

Tennessee is in the same boat as Auburn was last year. Chizik wasn't the sexy pick, but it sure looks good so far for them. He is more established & successful than DD, no denying that.

If DD can recruit the right guys he will win. I'm not just talking players, i'm also talking making staff changes when the time is right.

I'm just glad Kiffin is gone, he had me for a while, but his personality kind of reminds me of a guy that kills hookers & lives out of his mother's basement.
 
#345
#345
PowerT83 said:
I don't hate DD, but I did hate the situation he was brought into. Believe it or not things could be worse. We could have Troy Calhoun and the flex/wish bone, triple option offense.

Muschamp is sitting on a gold mine at Texas. I've already heard people call him a dumbass, jumping ship from Texas would confirm that notion.

Tennessee is in the same boat as Auburn was last year. Chizik wasn't the sexy pick, but it sure looks good so far for them. He is more established & successful than DD, no denying that.

If DD can recruit the right guys he will win. I'm not just talking players, i'm also talking making staff changes when the time is right.

I'm just glad Kiffin is gone, he had me for a while, but his personality kind of reminds me of a guy that kills hookers & lives out of his mother's basement.
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His offense at Air Force is NOTHING like he actually runs. He was an NFL OC, and they don't run that in the league.
 
#348
#348
sjt18 said:
Kyle Whittingham said no thanks. He would have been paid significantly more than he's now making or than Dooley is now making.

The Gruden delusion is laughable... and he certainly isn't someone who would let his career be tarnished because two other guys left a program in rough shape.

I don't think alot of you guys have even attempted to put yourselves in the shoes of these possible coaches. Dooley was right about the '10 recruiting class... it was "fragile". But that is still true of the whole program.

Why would a coach with a bright future like many of those mentioned take a job at a school in the nation's toughest conference, with a roster so depleted that as many as 15 scholarships will be filled by walk ons, with a shaky public image in the wake of CLK, with the NCAA snooping around, and a fan base impatient enough to fire a guy that avg'd over 9 wins per season?

The very simple answer is that they wouldn't... not at any price that a CFB HC will be paid.
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what's the NCAA investigating
 
#349
#349
It doesn't matter how many wins or losses we have and you are trying to justify your post and dooley haters??? Maybe you don't give a crap how many wins we have as long as WE have a Team whatever the hell that means. Let me say that to the majority of us Dooley non believers not winning a lot of games but "being a team" ain't going to cut it and frankly is a ridiculous loser attitude. What on his resume makes you a koolaide drinker????? Name one thing!
 
#350
#350
Fijivol72 said:
It doesn't matter how many wins or losses we have and you are trying to justify your post and dooley haters??? Maybe you don't give a crap how many wins we have as long as WE have a Team whatever the hell that means. Let me say that to the majority of us Dooley non believers not winning a lot of games but "being a team" ain't going to cut it and frankly is a ridiculous loser attitude. What on his resume makes you a koolaide drinker????? Name one thing!
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Didn't you hear? La Tech had no program before Dooley :crazy:
 
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