I don't vote: Change my mind

#27
#27
roosterjbh said:
Do you have other issues you value? Such as environmental issues or something like net neutrality?
Click to expand...

oh yeah. I have an opinion on everything. :)

they just fall down the list of importance to where I wouldn't want to "impose" my vote on the whole.

a lot of the other items not on my short list are places I don't believe the government should be involved with, or at least not as much.
 
#28
#28
Vol_Doc said:
I've never seen a candidate that I felt represented me 100%. Not sure such a person exists. Add to that the corruption of the two party system, and it's even worse. Candidates may run on certain policies, but when they are in office they simply fall back on the party line. You get the rare gadflies, like McCain, Paul, Sanders and such, who will buck their own party, but look how they're treated for doing so. Most just bury their heads and succumb to the tribalism of their respective party. Interestingly, if you ask most voters, they don't fully identify with either major party. They basically roll with the one they like most or, more likely, dislike least. The whole system is a joke.
Click to expand...

the bolded is what I mean by educated votes.

and I am not looking for 100% across all topics. Hitting the Big 3, and a couple others, is what I am looking for. The main thing is I haven't found a real fiscal conservative (of whatever letter) out there. they talk the talk but in office vote party line.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#30
#30
If you choose not to vote, then (IMO) you forfeit your right to complain or boast about how any government is run or the results of any election/policy/decision. One reason we get such crappy government officials is because too many people are apathetic over actually being active in attempting to decide who is running things, but want to whine incessantly about it when they don't get what they want.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#31
#31
LouderVol said:
the bolded is what I mean by educated votes.

and I am not looking for 100% across all topics. Hitting the Big 3, and a couple others, is what I am looking for. The main thing is I haven't found a real fiscal conservative (of whatever letter) out there. they talk the talk but in office vote party line.
Click to expand...

One of my biggest issues. Both parties want to spend you money and control your life...only in different ways. Both are fiscally irresponsible and trample on our freedoms regularly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#32
#32
superdave1984 said:
If you choose not to vote, then (IMO) you forfeit your right to complain or boast about how any government is run or the results of any election/policy/decision. One reason we get such crappy government officials is because too many people are apathetic over actually being active in attempting to decide who is running things, but want to whine incessantly about it when they don't get what they want.
Click to expand...

Not really.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#33
#33
superdave1984 said:
If you choose not to vote, then (IMO) you forfeit your right to complain or boast about how any government is run or the results of any election/policy/decision. One reason we get such crappy government officials is because too many people are apathetic over actually being active in attempting to decide who is running things, but want to whine incessantly about it when they don't get what they want.
Click to expand...

I am going to whine no matter who is in the office. my guy or not. maybe especially if its my guy. just because I voted for someone doesn't mean blind support, or hate. the issue now is if you don't win that gives you a license to whine for 4 years. that's nonsense. same if you win, you get a license to ignore the bad. its crap, they all suck, and everyone should whine.

I am involved in the political process, somewhat, just not in voting. I have contacted state representatives, engaged in public workshops, and take part in local movements. I don't want to be involved in the political aspect but am stilled involved in government.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#42
#42
I agree with you. Support you. Hell, I wanna be you.
 
#43
#43
Sandman 423 said:
Tell the truth. You just don't want to do jury duty.:)
Click to expand...

1. get out of work.
2. send idiots to jail
3. potentially get my hands on some fun evidence

nah, I don't think I would mind jury duty as long as it wasn't for BS stuff.
 
#46
#46
LouderVol said:
24y43o.jpg


I have said it several times on here so it shouldn't be a surprise, but I don't vote. on anything in our government. I have several reasons, to me they make sense but I am open to argument/debate.

1. Two party system. hate it hate it hate. neither side represents me so I am not voting into it. I have only found one American politician, ever, who actually represented me enough that I would vote for them. They were a state representative somewhere else. The rest suck, no way I am putting my name behind any of them. Third party is just as bad imo, with the added twist of sense they never have power they never have to be that "responsible".
2. Actually knowing the candidates. I usually can't get past a skin deep examination of them before I get sick of them all. I believe the FF would have wanted us to know who we were voting for, to me this is what an educated voter means, not schooling, but knowing who you are actually voting for and what they actually stand (vote) for. They all lie out their butts, so I doubt we really know them without actually having a personal relationship with them.
3. I don't think my opinions are important to influence other people. big flaw with the system imo. There are a couple things that are important enough where I feel a voice is needed, but instead we as a system waste our votes on frivolous differences. but we don't actually get to vote the issues, we vote the people in charge.
4. The system isn't designed to get the best, in fact as I have seen it seems quiet designed for the opposite, to get the worst. I have also said and firmly believe, each president is worse than the last. generally goes for all politicians. real life example of the slippery slope with a side of tribalism. I believe we are doing damage to ourselves and I won't make a choice between a bullet to the brain or the guillotine, and I definitely wont pick what others should face either.
5. Its a right I don't "need". I guess it is like the anti-gun crowd arguing we don't "need" guns, I would argue we don't "need" to vote. if the government shut down, or was drastically limited I doubt our lives change that much. pair this with some of the other points, uneducated voters, two parties, and that right has been twisted to oblivion. I am all for others voting, but me I hard pass every chance. No one should be denied the right, but to me the most effective changes this country has seen has come at the end of a gun. not saying its the way it should be, just saying what I think.
6. Republic vs Democracy. I think we as a country have too inflated view of what our vote means, and I won't take part in that. even if we were a true democracy I still wouldn't vote. But people seem so self absorbed with the vote.

I have others, but these are the most succinct thoughts I have. Not backing up with articles, or quotes. This is me. Hopefully there can be a discussion, because that is another thing our system has lost, and why I won't participate.
Click to expand...

If you don't take the time out of your busy day to vote, you probably shouldn't be whining about politics.
 
#48
#48
beergood said:
If you don't take the time out of your busy day to vote, you probably shouldn't be whining about politics.
Click to expand...

and someone who has no clue what the issues are, where their candidates stand, or how they have voted in the past is somehow better?

people should be more involved then checking a box besides a letter on a piece of paper.
 
#49
#49
LouderVol said:
I am going to whine no matter who is in the office. my guy or not. maybe especially if its my guy. just because I voted for someone doesn't mean blind support, or hate. the issue now is if you don't win that gives you a license to whine for 4 years. that's nonsense. same if you win, you get a license to ignore the bad. its crap, they all suck, and everyone should whine.

I am involved in the political process, somewhat, just not in voting. I have contacted state representatives, engaged in public workshops, and take part in local movements. I don't want to be involved in the political aspect but am stilled involved in government.
Click to expand...

I am all for complaining loudly if the person I voted for is stinking it up. Or if whoever I didn't vote for is stinking it up. However, if I am too lazy or apathetic to get off my tail and spend a few minutes doing research and showing up to cast my vote, then no, my right to whine is forfeited.
 
#50
#50
superdave1984 said:
I am all for complaining loudly if the person I voted for is stinking it up. Or if whoever I didn't vote for is stinking it up. However, if I am too lazy or apathetic to get off my tail and spend a few minutes doing research and showing up to cast my vote, then no, my right to whine is forfeited.
Click to expand...

what if I do research and just don't vote? or what about the people who don't research but still vote? what about the people who only ever vote one party no matter what? or one candidate no matter what they do?

there is also the issue that even if you don't vote for the someone they are still your elected politician. voted for, against, or not at all, they are still your whatever.

to me the plugging your nose and picking the least offensive candidate seems the more likely reason for someone to need to STFU. you knew you were getting a bad player, but not the worst. Me? I knew they were all bad so I didn't vote for one bad over the other, knowing that one was going to be elected.

you walk into a store, there is red Powerade and blue Powerade. both Powerades have clearly spoiled. Every person with two braincells doesn't buy. instead what happens is the people who bought blue or red say those who didn't buy themselves shouldn't complain about the bad Powerade. its still bad, buying (voting), doesn't change that.

only in politics does that happen. in no other facet of life would we accept the choices voting forces on us. no thank you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top