I don't understand this O-line excuse.

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keckjm said:
This is the only coaching question that should be asked right now, and the answer is he's never coached at a power five conference until now. Him and Elder are the only two coaches that haven't coached at the "SEC" type level. Mahoney's ability to recruit and coach is still very debatable. People shouldnt want our OC and DC fired year 2 when you have no clue what they are capable of until they get the talent they need. This o-line isn't CBJ and Mike Baj. issue. They inherited it. It's like adopting a ginger, and then a woman you marry decides she doesn't want to have kids with you because of her. She isn't your breed, just a problem you willingly accepted to take care of.
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saban has had three OC in the past five years.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Can someone please answer these questions.

1. How many true starters? 0

2. How many are true freshman? How many are in their 1st year with the scheme? 2

3. What teams are closest to our o-line situation? None

4. It's been at least 5 weeks working with the 0-line. What is the main problem? Strength? Footwork? Not knowing the plays? , etc...
Lack of strength, youth,
5. By week 10 are we seriously going to use our o-line as an excuse? Yes

6. Where's the development?
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It doesn't happen over night
 
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#54
If Bajakian doesn't improve next year, it's time to pull the plug. I will give him the benefit of the doubt now because of Worley. Worley is non-threat to run and holds the ball way too long. Butch needs to make sure JJ or Dobbs is the answer at QB.
 
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I know they are a young, inexperienced group, but they are showing zero improvement over 5 games. You add that to the fact last years group, with the exception of Ja'waun James, was not nearly as good as they were under Sam Pittman in 2012. I know he seems to be well liked by the players, but can he coach at the SEC level. If he is the issue, I hope Coach Jones is so loyal to this core group he brought from Cincinnati, that he can't make the changes that have to be made.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Should we be worse than a UK line that is 2 yrs into a new system and just as young? This argument is a comparison of us as an OL to UK not us against the likes of OU. Keep that in mind.
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Jesus h Christ, what hell do you expect these linemen are Dooley recruits. At least the ones who aren't freshmen are. Of course its not to the level of OU yet. Why UK even a comparison? Because they beat utm, candy, and Ohio?
 
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#61
Bajakian is not the main issue. Sure his calling was bad last game. But its the O line. They are not SEC caliber yet, but its what we got. With some 4 star OLs which are currently committed and more experienced and bulked up current OL players, there should be much better production.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
You keep talking time to learn system. We have THREE 4 yr guys who've had time to learn college systems, two years to learn this system and FOUR yrs in a S&C program. You consistently leave Downs out even though he's our blocking TE. You keep spouting that they have 2 RS FR and we have 2 true FR and ignoring the other 3 guys on the line except Kerbyson is out of position. What's your excuse for Crowder and Jackson? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain. Better yet don't, I'm tired of your same ole diatribe.
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Don't know if you've heard or not but the strength and conditions under Dooley was nonexistent. All the players had to do was show up and sign a paper saying they were there. So you can toss that argument out. And this is their second year under a totally new blocking scheme and a scheme they weren't recruited to play in. Combine that with the youth and you get what we have. A very porous oline that will struggle to keep up and will be mistake prone.

Yesterday was a bad performance, from the coaches and players, but we were literally in the game till the final whistle blew. Which is progress whether you or anyone else acknowledges it or not. Did we win? No and at the end of the day it will always come down to that. But there has been improvement.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
Jesus h Christ, what hell do you expect these linemen are Dooley recruits. At least the ones who aren't freshmen are. Of course its not to the level of OU yet. Why UK even a comparison? Because they beat utm, candy, and Ohio?
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The comparison to UK is because that's the OP I was debating with brought them up. Maybe you should go back and see what prompted this whole discussion. Instead you stuck your mouth in without reading beforehand. Typical of VN.

Dooley's OL recruits were all top 35 at their respective positions with multiple BCS level offers. Guess a lot of coaches were wrong in their evals.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Don't know if you've heard or not but the strength and conditions under Dooley was nonexistent. All the players had to do was show up and sign a paper saying they were there. So you can toss that argument out. And this is their second year under a totally new blocking scheme and a scheme they weren't recruited to play in. Combine that with the youth and you get what we have. A very porous oline that will struggle to keep up and will be mistake prone.

Yesterday was a bad performance, from the coaches and players, but we were literally in the game till the final whistle blew. Which is progress whether you or anyone else acknowledges it or not. Did we win? No and at the end of the day it will always come down to that. But there has been improvement.
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Snake bit when it comes to the gaiters. :crazy:
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The comparison to UK is because that's the OP I was debating with brought them up. Maybe you should go back and see what prompted this whole discussion. Instead you stuck your mouth in without reading beforehand. Typical of VN.

Dooley's OL recruits were all top 35 at their respective positions with multiple BCS level offers. Guess a lot of coaches were wrong in their evals.
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We now know that there are "offers"' and "commitable offers"....all offers are not the same, so throw out that argument.
 
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#68
Blair was supposed to be our big LT. Kerbyson was supposed to be fighting for RG, iirc. Weisman was supposed to be in there as well. Our now RG was switched halfway into fall camp from DT.

The OL problems are obvious and call it an excuse or whatever. Those were unexpected obstacles.
But it doesn't mean we couldn't go big and line up in singleback and shove the opponent back when they are on their heels. No excuse for not doing that.
 
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3rdDown4What? said:
#34 G yet forced to play tackle in the SeC vs monster DE. Sounds like an All American season.
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Kerbyson was a top 30 OT in HS. Maybe everyone was recruiting him as a guard we may never know where he would've played had he gone to SC or ND but he played OT in HS and was ranked as an OT by every single service.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Kerbyson was a top 30 OT in HS. Maybe everyone was recruiting him as a guard we may never know where he would've played had he gone to SC or ND but he played OT in HS and was ranked as an OT by every single service.
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#34 T my bad but everyone knew he would become a G in the SeC. Just wasn't SeC T athelitically
 
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#73
TL;DR

Poor OL talent that isn't being maximized through OL coaching nor offensive playcalling. When your OL is struggling and your QB is being blitzed you attack the vaccuum of space in the middle that both UGA and UF gave us. Utilize the RB and TE. Neither of those positions are being used. Keeping RB back as a blocker is great until you realize he's only blocking on 1 out of 4 guys that are jailbreaking to Worley. It's ultimately pointless. Worley has no check-downs and the WRs are getting no separation and are on deeper than necessary routes.

Some of it is OL talent but that really isn't a viable excuse in Year 2, IMO. Staff brought in a thoroughbred OT in the 2014 class that has yet to be seen. Either that's poor scouting on our staffs part or poor ability to coach blair up.

Kerbyson is an OG and possibly RT. He's not a LT. We need Blair horribly bad but he's nowhere in sight.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Can someone please answer these questions.

1. How many true starters?

2. How many are true freshman? How many are in their 1st year with the scheme?

3. What teams are closest to our o-line situation?

4. It's been at least 5 weeks working with the 0-line. What is the main problem? Strength? Footwork? Not knowing the plays? , etc...

5. By week 10 are we seriously going to use our o-line as an excuse?

6. Where's the development?
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I think three of them are redshirt juniors meaning it's their fourth year. There's obviously a problem but the idea that they're just young and will be great next year is a farce.
 
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