I don't like the whomever does best

#27
#27
utvolpj said:
How does a coach pick the "gamers" out before the season starts?

Also, how does a coach know to play a guy who is not good in practice?
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That's that dilemma.

IMO, that's why you play deeper into your roster and give some of the guys a chance to prove themselves a "gamer". If you say, "We won't trust you until you're perfect in practice" then you can miss those guys for a long time or maybe forever.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
It's his recruits. He should know before he recruits them. I mean a good coach just knows and he knows when to adjust and take them out.
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Knowing them as a recruit doesn't really help very much. They'll change and mature within a program. And play against HS competition doesn't always translate into play against college competition. Some guys simply adapt much better than others.
 
#29
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tallvolball98 said:
In practice gets to play. You could have a great week practicing and then suck on Saturday. By the 1st game of the season shouldn't the coach know who are their best players? Play them Then if someone gets hurt or screws up sub them next play with the player who did well in practice. I think this "whoever did best that week gets to play" does not build confidence in any player. Instead it worries them when they should be concentrating on the next team we play. I mean really you should know your best players. I just don't see it. It's year 4 man.
Ps. Let Dobbs have at it. Take his reigns off.
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So, your clever solution is whoever sucks up the most starts? Forget competing and play by star rating? Doing it your way, nobody gets better. If this was a high school, players would start because of who their Daddy is. This goes completely against any work ethic related to football.

Since we are just throwing random horse crap opinions out here, sounds to me like you are taking your brains outta your head, and using them for silly putty.

Oh, and if Dobbs reigns, he is a king.

If you take off the reins, as in a horse, there is no G.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
Exactly! I am all for competing but that should be established before the season starts. A coach should recognize this. Have his set players. Then adjust accordingly but not because of practice. Because of his game day play.
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That's not really where I was going.

I think giving guys 3rd or 4th down on the depth chart who may be ready to play some live reps with the starters might reveal guys who just aren't great in practice.

I have never seen their player evaluation sheets but do know that Jones said they numerically score the players. Maybe live work in scrimmages should get more points. Maybe they should be sure to insert players with 4 other starters rather than having them play with other back ups.

It isn't like what we're saying is simple much less easy. But it is something that some coaches seem to master better than others.
 
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I, for one, agree with OP. And so does this guy.

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sjt18 said:
Knowing them as a recruit doesn't really help very much. They'll change and mature within a program. And play against HS competition doesn't always translate into play against college competition. Some guys simply adapt much better than others.
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Yep. That's where adjusting comes in.
 
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Remember how much better Justin Worley looked in practice than Josh Dobbs? It's easier for some players to look better when the pressure (literally and figuratively) of a real game is only simulated.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
In practice gets to play. You could have a great week practicing and then suck on Saturday. By the 1st game of the season shouldn't the coach know who are their best players? Play them Then if someone gets hurt or screws up sub them next play with the player who did well in practice. I think this "whoever did best that week gets to play" does not build confidence in any player. Instead it worries them when they should be concentrating on the next team we play. I mean really you should know your best players. I just don't see it. It's year 4 man.
Ps. Let Dobbs have at it. Take his reigns off.
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I have zero faith this coaching staff works that way.
For all we know there could be a JJ Watt on this team lining up at offensive tackle. According to wiki: JJ Watt received a scholarship offer from Central Michigan University and matriculated there. Watt has stated that he was led to believe[by whom?] that as tight end, he would have the opportunity to score touchdowns. At Central Michigan, he played 14 games, compiling 77 receiving yards and 8 receptions.[15] Watt's coaches[who?] suggested that he move to offensive tackle, but Watt decided to forgo his starting spot and scholarship to walk on at the University of Wisconsin, where he played as a defensive end.[16]
 
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Lane Train 4 said:
I have zero faith this coaching staff works that way.
For all we know there could be a JJ Watt on this team lining up at offensive tackle. According to wiki: JJ Watt received a scholarship offer from Central Michigan University and matriculated there. Watt has stated that he was led to believe[by whom?] that as tight end, he would have the opportunity to score touchdowns. At Central Michigan, he played 14 games, compiling 77 receiving yards and 8 receptions.[15] Watt's coaches[who?] suggested that he move to offensive tackle, but Watt decided to forgo his starting spot and scholarship to walk on at the University of Wisconsin, where he played as a defensive end.[16]
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In all fairness, Watt is too big to play tight end, and he probably would have been an elite offensive tackle. Tight ends are moved to tackle all the time, especially at lower-level schools that don't have the luxury of recruiting blue chip guys at tackle. I credit Butch & co. for spotting the J.J. Watts & Antonio Browns of the world... it gives them some credibility when they offer 3-stars here at UT.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
In all fairness, Watt is too big to play tight end, and he probably would have been an elite offensive tackle. Tight ends are moved to tackle all the time, especially at lower-level schools that don't have the luxury of recruiting blue chip guys at tacw kle. I credit Butch & co. for spotting the J.J. Watts & Antonio Browns of the world... it gives them some credibility when they offer 3-stars here at UT.
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True its hard to believe he had those two on the same team at a school like that.
 
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#39
Kind of hard to build continuity and consistency when you keep shuffling people around. I think you need to find your starters and stick with them, regardless of how they do in practice. The only exceptions are injuries and if a starter continually plays bad or keeps making bad mistakes over and over again.
 
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Lane Train 4 said:
I have zero faith this coaching staff works that way.
For all we know there could be a JJ Watt on this team lining up at offensive tackle. According to wiki: JJ Watt received a scholarship offer from Central Michigan University and matriculated there. Watt has stated that he was led to believe[by whom?] that as tight end, he would have the opportunity to score touchdowns. At Central Michigan, he played 14 games, compiling 77 receiving yards and 8 receptions.[15] Watt's coaches[who?] suggested that he move to offensive tackle, but Watt decided to forgo his starting spot and scholarship to walk on at the University of Wisconsin, where he played as a defensive end.[16]
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Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
 
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There is definitely a flip side to this. In his last 4 years or so Fulmer leaned to heavy towards the gamers I felt like and we played sloppy football with some great talent. As with everything you have to find the middle ground.
 
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The_Big_Orange said:
There is definitely a flip side to this. In his last 4 years or so Fulmer leaned to heavy towards the gamers I felt like and we played sloppy football with some great talent. As with everything you have to find the middle ground.
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If you are talking about 1999 to 2005.... he was trusting Sanders to tell him who should play and then build a disciplined O. He failed.

Cut was good at choosing the players that could help them most.
 
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The_Big_Orange said:
There is definitely a flip side to this. In his last 4 years or so Fulmer leaned to heavy towards the gamers I felt like and we played sloppy football with some great talent. As with everything you have to find the middle ground.
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So we are not playing sloppy now?
 
#44
#44
You really can't tell "gamers" until you actually see them play live. We had one rugby player who had recently moved to Augusta that in practice was the most vanilla, nondescript player I had ever seen. After a couple of weeks, we put him at Outside Center a few minutes into one of our matches. The guy turned out to be an animal. Nobody could stop him. He had three or four 40-60 yard runs that match. I could not believe it was the same guy. I even thought...okay, maybe he got lucky breaking the first couple of tackles, so I kept feeding him the ball. It became quickly obvious it wasn't luck...the guy was a gamer. Needless to say, he started for us for the few months he was here (Army transfer), and after that first match I could have cared less what his skill level looked like in practice. The guy was a winner.

I always wonder how many "Cheeseburger"s we might have sitting on our bench just waiting for the opportunity to show what they can actually do.
 
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