I don’t care if Chrystal and London starts

[jasonvol18]

To the contrary Jason, I absolutely do want to make the “not beating anyone out argument”. Regardless of what happened between JG and QD, the fact remains that the guy so many on here want to proclaim as the certain starter as soon as he gets here this summer continually got beaten out at Stanford, by multiple guys....it’s obviously the reason he’s transferring.

As far as JG, the deck, as we now know, was slightly stacked against him in that QD was engaged to the daughter of whom many have referred to as “Butch’s best friend”. Ive heard many suggest that that relationship gave QD the edge and benefit of the doubt. And as I believe we saw, once JG took over he played better than QD....so I’m not so certain Lyle set up a fair competition, which should surprise no one.

And as far as toughness, who in recent memory has shown more toughness than JG last season? It’s the first thing that Pruitt mentioned this spring when he finally got around to discussing individual players. I’m not doubt that Chryst is tough as well, I assume he is, just doubt that he’ll have an edge in that department. And let’s just stop even discussing McBride shall we? I don’t care how tough he is or isn’t, he ain’t in the mix to play at Tennessee.

There's no difference in one set of people claiming Chryst as the starter than the group claiming JG will be. You have already proclaimed him as the starter, so you are doing the exact same thing you are trying to argue against. There's a word for that. I've been in the corner that either one could be starting game 1. I don't care if it's Chryst, JG, McBride or Shrout. I have no preference at all. Whoever can get us wins is who I am pulling for, whoever that is. Chryst did get beat out by Burns but he also beat him out later that yr and took the job from him. Then he beat out Costello to start the yr then obviously lost it later. So while he got beaten out twice, he also beat out those same 2 guys as well. So far JG has not beaten out another QB for the starting job. That may very well change in August then you could make it 3 times Chryst was beaten out. But till then that's not an argument you can make in JG's favor. We also don't know if Chryst's issues last yr was caused by his knee surgery. He went close to 8 months with little to no football activity and he really wasn't expected to be ready when he was for fall practice. It could have been an issue or it could have had no affect on it. He may not look any better than McBride this fall, but till they battle it out I'm not proclaiming one to be better than the other. Obviously it's why he's transferring and him transferring here should also say some. It says he has a better chance of beating out JG than Costello. I'm not gonna try to act like I know how Chryst will play once he hits campus. But damn atleast let him battle for the job before claiming who the better option is.

I'm not sure I fully buy those Dormady claims and why he won the job. Butch has known JG's Dad for 25+ yrs and are very close. Just like JG referred to Butch as a 2nd father. Butch's relationship with JG's Dad and him is the only reason he came to TN. I could see the Dormady argument if it had been any other player.I don't believe Butch would have risked losing games and potentially his job to start a QB because of Dormady's relationship with his God Daughter.I was in the JG to start over Dormady corner before the season started. I really think Butch with the older and more experience to start the season. It was painfully obvious that Dormady wasn't a good fit for the offense and never looked comfortable. Not sure we will ever know one way or the other on that.

I never once questioed JG's toughness. He showed us all how tough he was last yr and is one of his best qualities. I've watched very few Stanford games, so I know very little on Chryst's toughness. I brought up the leadership quality. Chryst has the reputation of being very well liked among his teammates and Coach's. His leadership is supposedly one of his best qualities just based off everything I've seen reported about him. I also never mentioned McBride's toughness. I brought up that it's been reported several times that McBride, like Chryst is very well liked by his teammates. McBride is the more liked of the two by the other players. So that's I mentioned the maturity and leadership concerns about JG. If he isn't liked or respected then his players wont bust their a$$ for him. What I don't know is if it's JG's personality? Does he not interact with his teammates well or does he carry himself in a way that rubs some the wrong way?? It could be any number of things and maybe he's matured and is correcting whatever it was. That's why I mentioned McBride. We all know he's not playing unless JG and Chryst get hurt.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

There's no difference in one set of people claiming Chryst as the starter than the group claiming JG will be. You have already proclaimed him as the starter, so you are doing the exact same thing you are trying to argue against. There's a word for that. I've been in the corner that either one could be starting game 1. I don't care if it's Chryst, JG, McBride or Shrout. I have no preference at all. Whoever can get us wins is who I am pulling for, whoever that is. Chryst did get beat out by Burns but he also beat him out later that yr and took the job from him. Then he beat out Costello to start the yr then obviously lost it later. So while he got beaten out twice, he also beat out those same 2 guys as well. So far JG has not beaten out another QB for the starting job. That may very well change in August then you could make it 3 times Chryst was beaten out. But till then that's not an argument you can make in JG's favor. We also don't know if Chryst's issues last yr was caused by his knee surgery. He went close to 8 months with little to no football activity and he really wasn't expected to be ready when he was for fall practice. It could have been an issue or it could have had no affect on it. He may not look any better than McBride this fall, but till they battle it out I'm not proclaiming one to be better than the other. Obviously it's why he's transferring and him transferring here should also say some. It says he has a better chance of beating out JG than Costello. I'm not gonna try to act like I know how Chryst will play once he hits campus. But damn atleast let him battle for the job before claiming who the better option is.

I'm not sure I fully buy those Dormady claims and why he won the job. Butch has known JG's Dad for 25+ yrs and are very close. Just like JG referred to Butch as a 2nd father. Butch's relationship with JG's Dad and him is the only reason he came to TN. I could see the Dormady argument if it had been any other player.I don't believe Butch would have risked losing games and potentially his job to start a QB because of Dormady's relationship with his God Daughter.I was in the JG to start over Dormady corner before the season started. I really think Butch with the older and more experience to start the season. It was painfully obvious that Dormady wasn't a good fit for the offense and never looked comfortable. Not sure we will ever know one way or the other on that.

I never once questioed JG's toughness. He showed us all how tough he was last yr and is one of his best qualities. I've watched very few Stanford games, so I know very little on Chryst's toughness. I brought up the leadership quality. Chryst has the reputation of being very well liked among his teammates and Coach's. His leadership is supposedly one of his best qualities just based off everything I've seen reported about him. I also never mentioned McBride's toughness. I brought up that it's been reported several times that McBride, like Chryst is very well liked by his teammates. McBride is the more liked of the two by the other players. So that's I mentioned the maturity and leadership concerns about JG. If he isn't liked or respected then his players wont bust their a$$ for him. What I don't know is if it's JG's personality? Does he not interact with his teammates well or does he carry himself in a way that rubs some the wrong way?? It could be any number of things and maybe he's matured and is correcting whatever it was. That's why I mentioned McBride. We all know he's not playing unless JG and Chryst get hurt.

Where has it been reported that McBride is more liked than JG by other players?


Really sounds like you’re going out on a limb here.

 

[jasonvol18]

Where has it been reported that McBride is more liked than JG by other players?


Really sounds like you’re going out on a limb here.

Why would I go out on the limb for 2 guys I don't know personally , but like them both? It was on a podcast on one of the sites that covers TN. I just don't remember which one and almost positive I read it on an article by the same site. Living in Ala I have to follow numerous of those sites and podcasts to get Vol info. Liked may not have been the right choice of words but they said he was the more popular of the 2 among his teammates. In part because of his personality. But even back to last yr, McBride has had teammates compliment him regularly. You don't hear that much about JG, so I was curious. Didn't know if he just wasn't outgoing or very personable or any number of other things. I know Dormady was supposed to be well liked as well and maybe it had stemmed from his immaturity early in the season. You usually hear about the more popular and well liked teammates and have heard plenty about Dormady, McBride and Chryst. But nothing on JG. I asked because of comments Helton and JP have made about expectations from their QB. They watch to see how their teammates respond around them and interact. They expect leadership from their QB and was just one of the reasons they pursued Chryst. So it was just a simple comment and a question about that side of JG. I've not heard much either way on him about that topic.

 

[81Orange]

I won’t try to evaluate JG based on how he played on Butch’s teams. No QB should be evaluated when 3 of every 4 plays is a jail break. Only Dobbs had the feet to make chicken salad from that chicken crap.

JG did show a good arm, and toughness. He stood in there and took the hit to deliver the ball. I agree JG is not a running threat, except when scrambling. I also liked QD. If either of them had good coaching and a team around them they could have done the job. Looking at his accomplishments I think KC will also be a serviceable QB. I expect a good battle for the starting job and expect both to start at some point.

Our big backs will get the the starting nod because Pruitt wants at least 3 yards a run. I expect to see TC when we get behind on down and distance, or on third down.

The real key to the season is on the offensive line. No blocking no offense.

 

[OnlyGodForgives]

I won’t try to evaluate JG based on how he played on Butch’s teams. No QB should be evaluated when 3 of every 4 plays is a jail break. Only Dobbs had the feet to make chicken salad from that chicken crap.

JG did show a good arm, and toughness. He stood in there and took the hit to deliver the ball. I agree JG is not a running threat, except when scrambling. I also liked QD. If either of them had good coaching and a team around them they could have done the job. Looking at his accomplishments I think KC will also be a serviceable QB. I expect a good battle for the starting job and expect both to start at some point.

Our big backs will get the the starting nod because Pruitt wants at least 3 yards a run. I expect to see TC when we get behind on down and distance, or on third down.

The real key to the season is on the offensive line. No blocking no offense.

Concerning the comments about JG: if you're going to evaluate him at all, last year is all you got. What he did in high school against children is irrelevant at this point. Plus, it seems in the very next sentence you go on to evaluate aspects of his game that he exhibited under Butch last year. My take: Ut doesn't have a viable solution at QB in house or in transit at the moment. Still over three months left though!

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Why would I go out on the limb for 2 guys I don't know personally , but like them both? It was on a podcast on one of the sites that covers TN. I just don't remember which one and almost positive I read it on an article by the same site. Living in Ala I have to follow numerous of those sites and podcasts to get Vol info. Liked may not have been the right choice of words but they said he was the more popular of the 2 among his teammates. In part because of his personality. But even back to last yr, McBride has had teammates compliment him regularly. You don't hear that much about JG, so I was curious. Didn't know if he just wasn't outgoing or very personable or any number of other things. I know Dormady was supposed to be well liked as well and maybe it had stemmed from his immaturity early in the season. You usually hear about the more popular and well liked teammates and have heard plenty about Dormady, McBride and Chryst. But nothing on JG. I asked because of comments Helton and JP have made about expectations from their QB. They watch to see how their teammates respond around them and interact. They expect leadership from their QB and was just one of the reasons they pursued Chryst. So it was just a simple comment and a question about that side of JG. I've not heard much either way on him about that topic.

This is basically an admission of going out on a limb lol

 

[jasonvol18]

This is basically an admission of going out on a limb lol

If that's how you read that, then you may wanna get an assessment done on how you process things.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

If that's how you read that, then you may wanna get an assessment done on how you process things.

1. You admit you can't remember where you heard it.

2. Admit you'd worded it badly

3. Inadvertently dmit that you're inferring hearing guys comment about liking McBride to mean that players don't like JG.


The whole premise of what you're saying is based on nothing but conjecture based on half remembered articles/podcasts. Given how badly you've recollected (or misrepresented) other information (such as Chryst facing a tougher SOS), it's hard to take any of your comments on the subject seriously.

 

[jasonvol18]

1. You admit you can't remember where you heard it.

2. Admit you'd worded it badly

3. Inadvertently dmit that you're inferring hearing guys comment about liking McBride to mean that players don't like JG.


The whole premise of what you're saying is based on nothing but conjecture based on half remembered articles/podcasts. Given how badly you've recollected (or misrepresented) other information (such as Chryst facing a tougher SOS), it's hard to take any of your comments on the subject seriously.

So you remember every place that you read or saw something at, Is that correct? I also said it was mentioned that McBride was the more popular and liked of the 2. I never said JG wasn't liked.

I don't remember where I heard Butch's firing either, so does that mean I didn't hear it? Dude that makes zero sense. As far as The SOS goes I did it that way because Chryst played in 12 games just like JG played in 9. So Jarrett gained the SOS from playing the Ga game even though he didn't start as well as the Mizzou and Fla games. Unless you know how to formulate SOS numbers by individual games played ,then by all means show me. But last I checked the games played in accurately shows games you got on the field in. I'm gonna side with the NCAA over a poster who has a man crush on one of our QB's. But that's your thing and I don't judge.

So in closing, it's a good thing you not taking me serious wasn't something I stayed up worrying about. I dodged a bullet on that and no sleep loss. But I will definitely work on being more sensitive and make sure your opinion is prioritized more. So now we both have things to work on! Well done bro!

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So you remember every place that you read or saw something at, Is that correct? I also said it was mentioned that McBride was the more popular and liked of the 2. I never said JG wasn't liked. I don't remember where I heard Butch's firing either, so does that mean I didn't hear it? Dude that makes zero sense.

You'll have to forgive me for being somewhat skeptical of "I heard it or read it somewhere one time but I can't remember where" as reliable info. My original post was asking where that has been said and you've yet to give any evidence whether it ever has been said or not, by whom, or in what context.

As far as The SOS goes I did it that way because Chryst played in 12 games just like JG played in 9. So Jarrett gained the SOS from playing the Ga game even though he didn't start as well as the Mizzou and Fla games.

This is a terribly flawed and disingenuous way to frame it though, isn't it? Two of those games he played in were blowout losses where he got some garbage time. Two of those 12 he only attempted one pass. In your posts talking up the SOS he played against in 2016, you also tout his record as a starter. It was clear that you were either unaware that the starts he made were almost all against terrible teams or that you were trying to misrepresent those games he did start.

Unless you know how to formulate SOS numbers by individual games played ,then by all means show me. But last I checked the games played in accurately shows games you got on the field in.

You could always, y'know, try to objectively break down their starts and the opponents they played against as starters.

I'm gonna side with the NCAA over a poster who has a man crush on one of our QB's. But that's your thing and I don't judge.

Very mature. FWIW, I'm as skeptical of all of our QBs as anybody. I just dislike seeing poorly reasoned or misleading arguments against them.

Also, you're not "siding with the NCAA." The NCAA doesn't have a stance on this. Though I'm sure if you got in touch with someone in charge of statkeeping for them they could give you a less misleading statistic for the SOS of Chryst's opponents.

So in closing, it's a good thing you not taking me serious wasn't something I stayed up worrying about. I dodged a bullet on that and no sleep loss. But I will definitely work on being more sensitive and make sure your opinion is prioritized more. So now we both have things to work on! Well done bro!

I'm not asking you to be "sensitive of my opinions." Just don't expect me not to call you out when you make poorly thought out arguments and/or can't back up your claims. I do hope you sleep well, though. We need sleep for our brains to properly sort through and store our memories. If you get plenty of sleep, maybe these misunderstandings can be avoided in the future!

 

[mccrackb]

So you think Pruitt is worse than Butch? He is the reason we went 4-8. We didn't and don't have 4-8 talent. We should win at least six and may get another game or two.

Lol. 4-8...maybe 5-7. JG isn’t the answer

 

[wildorange]

I just want the best QB to start, I don't care who it is. I think Pruitt will start the QB that gives the best chance. If that changes over the season I think you will see a change. GBO!!!!!

 

[SaintLouisVol]

I just want the best QB to start, I don't care who it is. I think Pruitt will start the QB that gives the best chance. If that changes over the season I think you will see a change. GBO!!!!!

I think is the reasonable position of most fans. It's that some on VN have dug in so strong that if things don't go their way, they will start making accusations of favoritism, bad coaching, etc. None will be willing to concede to what the coaches are seeing.