I challenge any of you anti-Dooley supporters...

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What exactly is an "anti-Dooley supporter"?

Is that someone against those who support Dooley or someone against Dooley himself?
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm not anti-Dooley. I'm pro-Tennessee. If a man can't get the job done against that Kentucky team (We're not talking Babe Parilli, Art Still, and Lou Michaels here.), then that is cause for concern. If you're not concerned after that performance, then you are living in an alternative universe devoid of reality.
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^^^^

Thread winner.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm looking for results. I'd prefer an offensive line coach who has developed men like Brandon Burlsworth, Shawn Andrews, and Michael Oher into All-Americans. And I like a Baylor offense averaging nearly 5 yards per carry to go along with that overwhelming passing game they've got with RGIII.

We've got to sort out the running game. I've named a few people who could do it. And there are more than that out there.

Now the question is this: what on earth convinces you a staff overseeing the decline of this running game/offensive line can do better in 2012?

It isn't about excitement. It is about performance. Let's get some people who know how to teach running backs and blockers and get some help for the passing side of things.
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Well besides keeping the coaching staff I didn't say any of those things that you pointed out in your question. I'm just fan and I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, in the meeting rooms and for all but about 30 minutes (?) of practice each day. You and I both know when CDD and Mike Hart meet they will have a frank discussion about where we are, the expectations going forward and that's when we'll find out what changes will be made. Until then I will continue to support the staff we have in place. But like everybody else my confidence is shaken. I will say that our recruiting class is looking pretty good on the offensive side of the ball and that gives me some hope but a lot of that is "unknown".

You've listed some good candidates and as far as I know you're the first person to come up with any solutions.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm looking for results. I'd prefer an offensive line coach who has developed men like Brandon Burlsworth, Shawn Andrews, and Michael Oher into All-Americans. And I like a Baylor offense averaging nearly 5 yards per carry to go along with that overwhelming passing game they've got with RGIII.

We've got to sort out the running game. I've named a few people who could do it. And there are more than that out there.

Now the question is this: what on earth convinces you a staff overseeing the decline of this running game/offensive line can do better in 2012?

It isn't about excitement. It is about performance. Let's get some people who know how to teach running backs and blockers and get some help for the passing side of things.
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You sir, are displaying entirely too much logic for an internet forum. .
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
To defend your stance with statistics (more detailed than W/L) as to why he shouldn't be our coach (or what he should've done differently this year) and, more importantly, outline your specific plan to fix the problem. If you want a new HC or position coach name him and even throw out the amount of money we would need to get him here. I would also like to know your reasons as to why we should hire said coach. This will of course need to be backed up by statistics (again more than just W/L). I want to know how this coach contributed to making his team better. I would like to see this "progress" you guys have been talking about all year. If you can do that that you may be more than just a troll, a negavol or a lowtard. Until then, the "we've hit rock bottom" or "you guys just luuuuv you sum Dooley but guess we was right cuz he sucks!!!" or "it couldn't get any worse" crap just doesn't cut it. We are all vol fans so lets talk this out or else prepare to be ignored and/or ridiculed.
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I'm not really sure what kind of statistics would go into keeping or firing a coach beyond wins and losses. How about poor tackling, missed points, red zone offense, special teams, losing every game that he trails at the half, crazy play calls, and game management.

Ultimately, you need talent to really compete in the SEC. However, I can tell you that a good coach will get his team to play with heart and fight for games he shouldn't win. It'd be nice to see close games with elite teams or even an upset or two. After two years, Dooley has yet to win a signature game.

There's no doubt he's had injuries to some key positions and he has a lack of depth on both sides of the ball, especially on defense. I understand both sides of the argument. Personally, I'm starting to lose faith. You'd like to see something that will keep your faith alive but there's not much to go on yet. Even in recruiting, I'd give Dooley a B+. He's done a good job there but we could do better. We need some big time play makers. I want to see us move up the recruiting chart every year, like Alabama, LSU and Auburn. Just my opinion. Love my Vols and I want to compete every year!
 
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rpeagram said:
So your saying it's ok to talk about NOT firing Dooley without giving reasons but I can't say fire him.......................blah blah blah

That's what us schoolkids call a double standard. I'm just correcting it.


BTW I didn't say fire him in my post. I just said you were demanding without having demands placed on you.


After next season when he is gone this will be a moot point.
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Well first off he gets 2 more years. A 5-7 season this was not an unrealistic prediction and we are recruiting pretty good right now. With that being said I shouldn't even have to give my reasons for keeping him. I can't think of any better candidates that would come here right now and turn things around? Can you? This is part of the reason he's going to get more time than you think. Above all else it's for stability of the program. Another thing is why would another coach come in and take over next year if the fanbase isn't going to give him the time he needs?
 
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tnvols72 said:
wins/loses and tell me that this team looked like a football team on the field.
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It's not even the wins vs losses for me to be honest. It's how the man carries himself.

Absolutely no emotion on the sideline (with the exception of LSU and North Carolina last year along with Vandy this year)

Constantly putting the blame on others and taking no responsibility for his own poor performance.

Worst clock management I have EVER seen.

Passing on 4th and 1 and Running on 3rd and longs.

Instituting a wildcat formation and pushing it all season long even though it was never successful (and very well could have cost us the 26 year streak and a bowl game).

Blaming youth on everything brought at him when questioned.

Throwing his players under the bus (this one needed to be listed twice).

Can't seem to pump his own players up pre-game or at the half.

Most predictable offense in the nation (Run Run Pass)

Failure to utilize screen passes all season.

Constantly buys out Wal-Marts LA Looks hair gel leaving me hanging every Friday night.

That's the issues I have with him. However. As for his work with the players off the field. There is non better. However, he's a football coach, not a guidance counselor.
 
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gr82batnvol said:
I'm not really sure what kind of statistics would go into keeping or firing a coach beyond wins and losses. How about poor tackling, missed points, red zone offense, special teams, losing every game that he trails at the half, crazy play calls, and game management.

Ultimately, you need talent to really compete in the SEC. However, I can tell you that a good coach will get his team to play with heart and fight for games he shouldn't win. It'd be nice to see close games with elite teams or even an upset or two. After two years, Dooley has yet to win a signature game.

There's no doubt he's had injuries to some key positions and he has a lack of depth on both sides of the ball, especially on defense. I understand both sides of the argument. Personally, I'm starting to lose faith. You'd like to see something that will keep your faith alive but there's not much to go on yet. Even in recruiting, I'd give Dooley a B+. He's done a good job there but we could do better. We need some big time play makers. I want to see us move up the recruiting chart every year, like Alabama, LSU and Auburn. Just my opinion. Love my Vols and I want to compete every year!
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Depth, experience and injuries count as statistics but I pretty much agree with everything you said.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
Well first off he gets 2 more years. A 5-7 season this was not an unrealistic prediction and we are recruiting pretty good right now. With that being said I shouldn't even have to give my reasons for keeping him. I can't think of any better candidates that would come here right now and turn things around? Can you? This is part of the reason he's going to get more time than you think. Above all else it's for stability of the program. Another thing is why would another coach come in and take over next year if the fanbase isn't going to give him the time he needs?
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I bet the Shula supporters were saying the same things.

Saban wasn't scared.
 
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Recruiting is a big part of getting a good team in the future, Dooley seems to be great at that. His staff should be able to "compensate" for any weaknesses in coaching he may have and they're not. We need some new blood in the offensive coaching section. Those pushing stats should agree. Changing head coaches AGAIN won't help stabilize things for fans or players.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
Depth, experience and injuries count as statistics but I pretty much agree with everything you said.
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What statistical categories do they fall under exactly? All I see is a 5-7 season and a 6-7 season before this one. I also see no improvement as a team, and I see players who have regressed since they've been here (Palardy, Darr, the whole offensive line, Teague, Poole, I could go on and on). I have also seen numerous records broken, and not the good ones. Back to back losing seasons, losing to Kentucky, most SEC losses, etc. Dooley has been given more than enough opportunities to get a signature win and he just can't cut it. Time to cut our losses and get a REAL coach.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
Well first off he gets 2 more years. A 5-7 season this was not an unrealistic prediction and we are recruiting pretty good right now. With that being said I shouldn't even have to give my reasons for keeping him. I can't think of any better candidates that would come here right now and turn things around? Can you? This is part of the reason he's going to get more time than you think. Above all else it's for stability of the program. Another thing is why would another coach come in and take over next year if the fanbase isn't going to give him the time he needs?
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Stability of the program is already out the window. Dooley is firmly on the hot seat and everyone knows it. After this performance every coach in the country will use the instability of our program agaist us.
 
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A couple of coaching gems for me today was when we had 3rd and 18 and ran a draw play up the middle and when we had 1st and goal on the 8 yrd line and we came out in the wildcat and turned it over...we could have at least tied the game with a chip shot field goal. If I was a highschool football player there I'd no way I would want to play for this team unless it was a full scholarship and no other team had offered me. This was the worst sec performance for tn in 100 years thanks entirely to Dooley as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I've been a Dooley supporter, but........but as the season progressed, I have gotten more and more concerned that he may not be the right man for the job.

I like the guy, and still hope he can be the one we need. However, after today, I am more worried.

My concerns:

-- He got the job without being a co-ordinator of any kind, that is experience he seems to have needed

-- He seems to be one that is learning on the job (we tried that with Randy Sanders already), and UT is not the place for that

-- He hasn't been able to win any of the "toss up" games. So far, he's won the ones he should, lost the ones expected (until today, of course). Last year against UNC was a toss up game, this year so were FL, GA, SC, and Vandy (yeah, we won that one, but barely, and it was ugly/lucky). All of those games, for one reason or another, could have gone either way.....and we lost 'em. We had lots of years with Fulmer where we won the games that we clearly had better players, lost most where we didn't have the better players, and lost most of the ones we were even with (all that in general terms). UT needs a coach that can win by out-coaching others. With the home state recruiting disadvantage UT has, we will be hard pressed to always out-talent our opponents, and we will be forced to recruit from other states (a hard battle in itself), and to at times rely on out coaching others when we have inferior athletes. We have to be able to "coach 'em up"......and so far, Dooley doesn't seem to be able to do so. So far, he has shown no ability to go "outside the box" and come up with some schemes to throw the other team off. So far, he looks like a guy that has a system, and if he has his type of players in that system, and they are better than yours, he will win. But again.....no impression he can adapt and improvise.

-- I didn't like it when Fulmer threw his players under the bus, and don't like how much Dooley has done it. We got it....they're not your players, and they are not as talented as the other team. So what? It's what you've got -- go make 'em better and give them a chance (see scheming/outside the box above). It's up to you as a coach to make them better, or to get them to play above their innate abilities.

-- There is absolutely no reason ----- no reason at all ------- for this UT team to lose to this KY team today. None! A team with no QB, and a WR playing, only running....not playing QB for at least 4-5 years. No excuse.

-- If there are not some major, and I mean major, changes to the offense/offensive staff....IMHO, Dooley just isn't the one to get it done. This offense is as bad as the ones Fulmer put up without Cut running things (and Cut was doing it with smoke and mirrors his 2nd go-round). There is something wrong with either the scheme, philosophy, or techniques being coached. We should be getting more production out of what we have.

-- Dooley needs to step up to the plate and admit he just didn't get it done this year. Take some blame. Also, he needs to get in some faces and stop babying the younger players.

-- (edited, to add) also, the team just doesn't seem to be well coached overall. We see too many of the kinds of mistakes that we saw when Sanders was OC. Like last week, when Bray called a play that wasn't even in the playbook....how can that even happen?, too many mis-alignments, too many missed assignments, stupid penalties, and such.



It will be interesting, and I think very telling, what happens in the couple months, or so.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
Well first off he gets 2 more years. A 5-7 season this was not an unrealistic prediction and we are recruiting pretty good right now. With that being said I shouldn't even have to give my reasons for keeping him. I can't think of any better candidates that would come here right now and turn things around? Can you? This is part of the reason he's going to get more time than you think. Above all else it's for stability of the program. Another thing is why would another coach come in and take over next year if the fanbase isn't going to give him the time he needs?
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Right now I'm so mad for how far he's let the program slip I wouldn't care if they turned the program over to an assistant. Ohio st can supposedly land meyer and I'm sure Penn st will hire a proven coach even after all the bs they have been through. I'm getting just as sick hearing posters say we can't get a good coach as I am seeing the bad coach we already have. A 5 win season isn't stability to me.
 
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This is an easy one. He's a terrible game-manager. Just look at the end of last year's bowl game. Just look at his constant timeout blunders. Timeout on 3rd and 39...you gotta be kidding me.
His teams are undisciplined and they play without heart. What's more, his way of handling issues in the media bugs me. He NEVER takes the responsibility for a poor game. He puts it off on the kids, who aren't as young and inexperienced as he'd have you believe. His excuses frustrate me to no end.

Plus, the W/L record after two seasons is a pretty decent stat to go by in making our opinions. Why is that not relevant in your book? How about you give us some stats that backup why you are convinced that this guy isn't just Mike Shula without the losses.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
Those are some rough stats and I agree with you that doesn't cut it.

Sorry but the point of my thread was not to defend my stance on the matter. I've said I'm sticking with this coaching staff. Right now I'm not thrilled with that decision but I see no better (or more importantly realistic) options available to us. So we should hire a RB coach? A new OC? Any suggestions?
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We're toward the back in punting also and the field goal kicking is awful.

Perhaps better personnel can solve that.

I think we have to have a new OC though. Team has regressed offensively and has no clue how to run the ball. Even if Heistand was the problem running the ball, if Chaney has the answer why wouldn't he have already solved the problem?
 
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GLDunlap said:
Stability of the program is already out the window. Dooley is firmly on the hot seat and everyone knows it. After this performance every coach in the country will use the instability of our program agaist us.
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This is a point that needs to be emphasized. If I'm an SEC coach recruiting against UT, I'm telling recruits that CDD almost certainly will not be coaching Tennessee after 2012 (which is true; he may not even last through the next season). It's hard to imagine CDD bringing in quality players with uncertainty over who will be the coach hanging over the program. As someone mentioned already in the thread, we have in essence a lame duck coach. The clock is ticking; now it's not so much a question of if Dooley is given the pink slip, but rather when.
 
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