I capitulate.

#51
#51
orange+white=heaven said:
I now understand the folly of my belief that another poor to middling season on the field could be a reason to affect change in the appropriate place. I must live with what I see before me. So be it.


But there will come a day...
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Wow, profound thinking, I hope that catches on like wildfire amongst the fans with a similar mindset to yours, the sooner A happens, more than likely the sooner B happens and we will all be a lot happier getting there!!!

Not only that, players will think a lot more of the fans they play for, at least those who play for the Vols and are permanently Vols now and/or hope to be Vols in the future!

I :clapping: your enthusiasm, reluctant or not. :good!:

GO VOLS!
 
#52
#52
Jaytrain5 said:
Can we get a ban on excessive poetry?
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Go eat a green persimmon, censorship sucks!!!

They bought a souped-up jitney
Was a cherry-red '53
Drove it down to Orleans
To celebrate their anniversary
It was there that Pierre
Was wedded to the lovely mademoiselle
"C'est la vie" say the old folks
It goes to show you never can tell
 
#56
#56
gs...an original thought, with out the help of a poem, haiku or other lyrical metaphor, used for some larger point, would be nice. i can see how people lose the point of what you might be intending.:thumbsup:
 
#59
#59
My take on the muck and mire that is Tennessee football;

1) Perhaps the most dangerous thing that can happen to a program is happening as we speak.....apathy. The fire is gone. When the passion wanes and gas is $4 a gallon look for the money to fall off. When that happens, Hammy cant help but make a change.

2) Phil has become so stubborn and unwilling to change that it's killing our program, Listen to his comments, "Ive won a lot of games. A lot more than Ive lost. We didnt forget how to coach football overnight." He refuses that this downward slide is more than the product of this year. Prides goes before destruction.

3) The Fulmer supporters are pointing to last year's SECC appearance. Last year was smoke and mirrors, period.

4) Phil has lost the players. Do I need to elaborate?
 
#60
#60
i don't think he's lost the players...yet. and i think he at least proved he's willing to change with the hire he made last season. where i agree is that there's still this notion that we're an elite program in the SEC, and we're simply not. decisions about personnel and game planning should be made accordingly.
 
#61
#61
rexvol said:
My take on the muck and mire that is Tennessee football;

1) Perhaps the most dangerous thing that can happen to a program is happening as we speak.....apathy. The fire is gone. When the passion wanes and gas is $4 a gallon look for the money to fall off. When that happens, Hammy cant help but make a change.

2) Phil has become so stubborn and unwilling to change that it's killing our program, Listen to his comments, "Ive won a lot of games. A lot more than Ive lost. We didnt forget how to coach football overnight." He refuses that this downward slide is more than the product of this year. Prides goes before destruction.

3) The Fulmer supporters are pointing to last year's SECC appearance. Last year was smoke and mirrors, period.

4) Phil has lost the players. Do I need to elaborate?
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When his players come out and back him week after week, I'd say he hasn't lost them yet.
 
#62
#62
rexvol said:
3) The Fulmer supporters are pointing to last year's SECC appearance. Last year was smoke and mirrors, period.
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As a Volunteer supporter, I believe it was truly magical to see the team rally after a 1-2 start to get to the championship game last year.
 
#63
#63
justingroves said:
When his players come out and back him week after week, I'd say he hasn't lost them yet.
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they can verbally support him after every loss, but do they respond to his coaching? no, they dont. same mistakes, game after game. he's lost them.
 
#64
#64
tennaseevol said:
As a Volunteer supporter, I believe it was truly magical to see the team rally after a 1-2 start to get to the championship game last year.
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if by magical you mean blind luck, then yes it was magical. And honestly, what kind of grown man uses the phrase "it was truly magical"?
 
#65
#65
rexvol said:
they can verbally support him after every loss, but do they respond to his coaching? no, they dont. same mistakes, game after game. he's lost them.
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If that's your idea of it then okay.

Losing a team, IMO, is when they quit on you. This doesn't feel like 2005 to me because these guys are still playing hard, the QB just isn't very good.
 
#66
#66
rexvol said:
if by magical you mean blind luck, then yes it was magical. And honestly, what kind of grown man uses the phrase "it was truly magical"?
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I'm torn on this one because Tennessee did what they had to do, Florida is the one that choked the East away.

Tennessee was very fortunate though.
 
#67
#67
I can't help but laugh at the mention of desert........we may be in the hinterlands but the desert has significant landmarks like an O-6 start, 9 or 10 years straight of getting beat by bama (and you better believe the hue and cry and gnashing of teeth was more bitter), getting beat by Army and Duke, etc.

I suppose the difference is that we are/have been heading back towards the desert after dwelling for an all too short period of time in the promised land.

I don't like what's going on any better than the rest of you and I also fear that we will wander in the wilderness for awhile. I just don't think we are at the nadir of Big Orange football just yet.
 
#68
#68
justingroves said:
If that's your idea of it then okay.

Losing a team, IMO, is when they quit on you. This doesn't feel like 2005 to me because these guys are still playing hard, the QB just isn't very good.
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what other reason can you give for a team that continues to make errors that the HC said were correctable? if he hasnt lost them, then it must be that he is incapable of coaching them up.
 
#69
#69
Plano Vol said:
I don't like what's going on any better than the rest of you and I also fear that we will wander in the wilderness for awhile.
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Urban Meyer took the rudiments of a very good defense and disaster of an offense, with weak QB, and won a title very quickly.

There's no reason this team can't win with the defense it brings.
 
#70
#70
rexvol said:
what other reason can you give for a team that continues to make errors that the HC said were correctable? if he hasnt lost them, then it must be that he is incapable of coaching them up.
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That's more of my train of thought.

CPF's teams without Cut on board have all been undisciplined penalty machines.
 
#72
#72
rexvol said:
My take on the muck and mire that is Tennessee football;

2) Phil has become so stubborn and unwilling to change that it's killing our program, Listen to his comments, "Ive won a lot of games. A lot more than Ive lost. We didnt forget how to coach football overnight." He refuses that this downward slide is more than the product of this year. Prides goes before destruction.
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He is right about that though; it was gradual.
 
#74
#74
BigPapaVol said:
Urban Meyer took the rudiments of a very good defense and disaster of an offense, with weak QB, and won a title very quickly.

There's no reason this team can't win with the defense it brings.
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Maybe so, if the defense can pitch shut outs and #27 only plays between the 20's

All evidence points to the necessity to rack up some points against UGA and the hated bama philistines. I don't think this team can do it.
 
#75
#75
Another thing that has to be looked at: the rest of the conference is at an all-time high in terms of talent level, rankings, prestige, good press, you name it. It is entirely possible that UT is the 9th or 10th best team in the SEC this year. (I'll give us Arky and MSU; Vandy and UK are too close to call; Ole Miss just beat Florida; South Carolina is always dangerous; LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, and Bama are clearly superior teams)

Can that possibly sit well with anyone? Fulmer has not been able to react and respond to the steady improvement of the SEC into the most loaded conference college football has ever seen (and no, I don't think that's an exaggeration.)
 
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