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At everyone defending Hurd for this,talking about the scheme, etc. Riddle me this, if Hurd wanted to be put in a power I set (notice I did not say Pro, because 80% of the snaps in a NFL game come out of a shotgun with no fullback), why is he talking about Cal and UCLA as landing points as a TE? If he truly thought that he was a future high round draft choice as a TB, would he not go to LSU, ARKY, Wisc, or Mich? Because these are about the only teams left in the FBS who run an I formation.

I can guarantee you that Dykes and/or Mora ain't changing for him.
 
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Nasavol said:
At everyone defending Hurd for this,talking about the scheme, etc. Riddle me this, if Hurd wanted to be put in a power I set (notice I did not say Pro, because 80% of the snaps in a NFL game come out of a shotgun with no fullback), why is he talking about Cal and UCLA as landing points as a TE? If he truly thought that he was a future high round draft choice as a TB, would he not go to LSU, ARKY, Wisc, or Mich? Because these are about the only teams left in the FBS who run an I formation.

I can guarantee you that Dykes and/or Mora ain't changing for him.
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He left because of turmoil inside the program that looks like he created
 
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CountVolcula said:
He left because of turmoil inside the program that looks like he created
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Didn't we have this issue with a WR (Washington?), I can't remember but there was a lot of locker room issues when he arrived on the team.........correct me if I am wrong, but it only takes one to divide a team.
 
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In the words on the great Shazzon Bradley, " his mouth wrote a check his ass couldn't cash". Players called him out. Sitting out a yr and playing a 5th yr is totally stupid but that's all he has now.

He can go with Wharton at Cal.
 
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Nasavol said:
At everyone defending Hurd for this,talking about the scheme, etc. Riddle me this, if Hurd wanted to be put in a power I set (notice I did not say Pro, because 80% of the snaps in a NFL game come out of a shotgun with no fullback), why is he talking about Cal and UCLA as landing points as a TE? If he truly thought that he was a future high round draft choice as a TB, would he not go to LSU, ARKY, Wisc, or Mich? Because these are about the only teams left in the FBS who run an I formation.

I can guarantee you that Dykes and/or Mora ain't changing for him.
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That talk about scheme is ego, pure and simple. His ego is bruised, so he's reverting to selfishness instead of being a team player. Anyone can be a team player when you're the star, but it takes special character to be a team player when the team is not revolving around you. I don't believe it's actually scheme that's the issue IMO.

When he talks about schemes or systems, IMO he is saying "But everything doesn't revolve around ME!" Marsha Marsha Marsha! Typically when people make blatantly selfish and self-centered decisions that are basically unjustifiable on merits, they look for a cover excuse that makes it about something else that would be outside their control.

I haven't seen where he was talking about any specific places, but I may have missed it. I have seen where some fans were speculating about the LA area and Cal (b/c of Wharton).

He won't be released to another SEC school, so LSU & Arkansas won't be available options. He would probably excel in Michigan, but he would also have to be a team player there among a lot of stars, so I don't see that happening. Wisconsin could be an option, I guess. Most people are thinking southern California area schools b/c apparently his dad lives there. Also b/c he's burned his bridges in his home state.

No coach is changing their system for him, except possibly a bottom of the barrel nobody team. Like Vandy...


 
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Don't even need to laugh, he gone

Moving forward....keep it pushing....he is a kid, made a poor decision (should have left in off season if that is truly how he felt) I'm sure one day many years from now he will look back on this decision with a different POV.....Perhaps not but I'm done with the whole fiasco....

Go vols beat Tenn tech for home coming....
 
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LSU and Arkansas are in the SEC so he can't transfer there... He will look at schools that initially recruited him outside of the conference.
 
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Honestly I don't blame him for leaving. If there was any legitimacy to the post about him wanting to be in I-formations but not getting it, it's very understandable why he would want out.
 
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Nasavol said:
At everyone defending Hurd for this,talking about the scheme, etc. Riddle me this, if Hurd wanted to be put in a power I set (notice I did not say Pro, because 80% of the snaps in a NFL game come out of a shotgun with no fullback), why is he talking about Cal and UCLA as landing points as a TE? If he truly thought that he was a future high round draft choice as a TB, would he not go to LSU, ARKY, Wisc, or Mich? Because these are about the only teams left in the FBS who run an I formation.

I can guarantee you that Dykes and/or Mora ain't changing for him.
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Mora runs a pro style offense. Dykes does too normally but he tailored it this year as he got Webb as a Grad Transfer from Texas Tech. Both make sense for Hurd to go to as a RB. I'm not convinced he is gonna chance positions.
 
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Honestly I don't blame him for leaving. If there was any legitimacy to the post about him wanting to be in I-formations but not getting it, it's very understandable why he would want out.
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Bull crap and you know it. If it was such a scheme thing then Hurd would not be within 500 yards of being the all time rushing leader at UT. Was it the bad scheme that got him all those yards leading up to that point??? Hmmm? The scheme did not fail Jalen Hurd. Our qb play is mediocre at best I'll give you that but the I formation. Whatever. Jalen can say it all he wants but you don't get that many yards in a system that does not utilize your strengths.
 
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Volatility said:
Honestly I don't blame him for leaving. If there was any legitimacy to the post about him wanting to be in I-formations but not getting it, it's very understandable why he would want out.
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Well it's not understandable why he came in the first place if that's what he truly wanted. I'm over this mess. Let's go beat Tennessee Tech!

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Vol 'til I fall!
 
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Volatility said:
Honestly I don't blame him for leaving. If there was any legitimacy to the post about him wanting to be in I-formations but not getting it, it's very understandable why he would want out.
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No 1 player is bigger than the team. While I cringe thinking about Debord as OC, its still about the TEAM and not about a crybaby punka$$ Jalen Hurd. NEXT MAN UP!!
 
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The beautiful I-formations against Northwestern appear to have been a con-job. I'm unhappy with that on several levels. I've been the consistent voice from Year Zero on the Butch-fense: wait and see with talent and experience. Has been stymied against every SEC defense worth a damn with what will be Butch's best team.

Been the consistent voice that Butch seems to be getting it done Monday to Friday but has things to prove on Saturday. Suddenly our breakout year is a dumpster fire. Daj and his +2 coaching metric for Butch has missed the sign; Butch has lost two against lesser talent now.

My feeling at Appy State was the BSiA didnt know what to do with a true Championship team. With bricks leaving the team and the state it appears the once in a generation legacy class has falsely elevated the Butch record on Mondays to Fridays.

I dont know if Jalen was a cancer in the locker room. I know with the exception of THAT play against Georgia he ran his heart out for the Vols. I saw him almost break our rushing record with 90% of his yards after contact in this ridiculous scheme. Looks like Butch conned him; looks like there is no one who should be refusing a big spoonful of maturity in the Vol staff and team.

Butch led us out of darkness but we are close to plunging into the abyss again. New admin coming in needs to have ambition and vision. Everything happening now sucks especially for team and fans who aren't making millions.
 
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Maybe with so much disruption in the O-line personnel, sticking with the base offense was the only option. That 265# freshman right tackle thrown in versus Alabama isn't likely to be blowing holes in SEC defenses.
 
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sorry, but explain why the other two backs on this team both average over 6yds per carry and Hurd 3.7.

Also, we ran some I-formation against Appy and got notta. Maybe that is why they stoped running it.
 
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Lots of things it's hard for us outside the program to understand.

Why DeBord in the first place?

Why try to turn Dobbs into Dan Marino?

Why no qb coach?

Why run a zone read that never actually reads?

How can we have so many playmakers that never touch the ball?

I like Jones as a face of the program and a guy that works hard and keeps discipline/academics in check. But I feel the questions above are very valid concerns. I understand I'm not at praxtice, never been a coach, etc. I wish someone more informed that I am could shed some light on these and other issues.

People throw a lot of this on Dobbs but the kid's never has a dedicated true qb coach. His mechanics are awful. At the peak of his career, Tiger Woods still had a swing coach. Peyton still visited with Cutcliffe in offseasons.

Really, I see only 2-3 assistants that seem to be earning their paycheck. Again, I'm just an arm chair AD but I'd to ask someone in the know these questions.
 
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Anybody watch MNF last night and see a 3rd and 1 where the offense lined up in a shotgun with the back offset left. Snap...RB shuffles 3 steps right, takes the handoff, and runs off tackle right where he is stuffed for no gain. Thing is, he hit that hole (lack of) at top speed. Jalen would have went down for a loss of at least one.

Jalen moving to TE is a good call, as our offense is simply the way many are ran now. Even in the "I-formation" NFL. He is no longer a good RB. I can't even believe I have to say that but the evidence bears it out this season.

AV
 
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Sandman 423 said:
sorry, but explain why the other two backs on this team both average over 6yds per carry and Hurd 3.7.

Also, we ran some I-formation against Appy and got notta. Maybe that is why they stoped running it.
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Perfect. Everyone pumping up Hurd's ability can be immediately shut down by one simple stat line - Kamara: 4.7 yds per carry, Kelley 6 yds per carry, Hurd..........3.7 yds per carry. All behind the same line in the same scheme.
 
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It's an offense. Stop with the butch-fense crap. It's not worthy of a nickname.
 
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Aerie Vol said:
Anybody watch MNF last night and see a 3rd and 1 where the offense lined up in a shotgun with the back offset left. Snap...RB shuffles 3 steps right, takes the handoff, and runs off tackle right where he is stuffed for no gain. Thing is, he hit that hole (lack of) at top speed. Jalen would have went down for a loss of at least one.

Jalen moving to TE is a good call, as our offense is simply the way many are ran now. Even in the "I-formation" NFL. He is no longer a good RB. I can't even believe I have to say that but the evidence bears it out this season.

AV
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Defenses are too fast for slow developing plays.
 
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