I beg your pardon !

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n_huffhines said:
If Arpaio's officers are hanging out on the border in their free time, go for it. During work hours, they are supposed to be worrying about Maricopa County.

BTW, illegal immigrants nearly quadrupled in AZ during Joe's reign of terror, so I'm not sure he was "effective" by any measure.
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ANY stats on the increase in Maricopa county?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
It's great to see a true patriot pardoned. Someone who truly cares about this country.

The liberals pardoned this traitor and not a word from good old metermaidgator.
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Arapio isn't a patriot and probably deserves to be in prison right beside Manning. But not for what Holder went after him for.

BTW Manning wasn't pardoned, his sentence was commuted.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Arpaio pardon paperwork is finished and talking points have been distributed to surrogates, so its just a matter of when Trump signs it.

I'm not sure that a president has ever pardoned someone for criminal contempt of court, for knowingly and intentionally violating a federal judge's order just because he disagreed with the politics of it. That's a pretty profound thing to do.
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Did Joe swap out Taliban prisoners for illegals or something?
 
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McDad said:
ANY stats on the increase in Maricopa county?
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So the AZ stats I found said 90k in 1990, 500k in 2007 when the economy was at its peak, and then down to 325k in 2014.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...-inches-up-while-nations-holds-steady-8668831

This article is saying there are 250k total in Phoenix right now. So that gives you an idea of the increase (Arpaio took over in 1994).

http://ktar.com/story/1455005/phoenix-area-home-to-250k-undocumented-immigrants/
 
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n_huffhines said:
If Arpaio's officers are hanging out on the border in their free time, go for it. During work hours, they are supposed to be worrying about Maricopa County.

BTW, illegal immigrants nearly quadrupled in AZ during Joe's reign of terror, so I'm not sure he was "effective" by any measure.
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Someone had to enforce the boarder laws.

Did you read in a book that illegals quadrupled?
 
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You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So the AZ stats I found said 90k in 1990, 500k in 2007 when the economy was at its peak, and then down to 325k in 2014.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...-inches-up-while-nations-holds-steady-8668831

This article is saying there are 250k total in Phoenix right now. So that gives you an idea of the increase (Arpaio took over in 1994).

http://ktar.com/story/1455005/phoenix-area-home-to-250k-undocumented-immigrants/
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Dont have time to read now. Are the articles estimating the numbers? (This is the issue i have with most immigrant, homeless, etc projections).
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
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These mayors ignoring the law is a bigger danger.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
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Don't want to set that precedent.

It would be like paying Iran to release service men and women, trading terrorists for a traitor, or pardoning someone convicted of espionage.
 
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McDad said:
Dont have time to read now. Are the articles estimating the numbers? (This is the issue i have with most immigrant, homeless, etc projections).
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How could you have a number that wasn't based on an estimate? The 250k Phoenix figure is from Pew Research, FWIW.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
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That's exactly what would happen anyway. May as well pardon Sheriff Joe just to see how many people's heads will explode.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Was he? Joe's jurisdiction isn't even on the border.

Do you have evidence that the charges against Joe are BS? Or are you just willing to overlook corruption because you like his policing?
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You are just mad because he took your pink panties, and gave them to inmates to wear.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
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The feds willfully and illegally disobeyed their duty to stop the flow of illegal aliens flooding AZ - somebody needed to do something. I fail to see the problem with state or local authority upholding federal law if the federal agencies aren't upholding existing law. This should never have gone to trial; the judge and the feds bringing the suit should be the ones facing contempt charges.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You guys arguing that Arpaio should not have been convicted of contempt are missing the larger point. He was found after a five day trial to have intentionally and willfully disobeyed a federal court order. His first option was to have changed the law. His second was to appeal the conviction.

To pardon him for disobeying the federal court order -- rightly or wrongly --opens up a can of worms.

Think about what would happen if the Trump administration had its way and outlawed sanctuary cities. But the gay mayor of San Francisco gives Trump the middle finger. Disobeys a direct federal court order. Is found guilty of criminal contempt. But then a Dem came into office and pardons him with a slap on the back for ignoring the law and an order from a federal judge.

I don't know. Just seems like this makes the law very unstable to me. And basically encourages violators for political reasons to run out the clock until they get someone in there that is friendlier to their cause.
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The rule of law is the last line of defense against apocalyptic consequences. Are you Trump people unable to wrap your heads around that fact?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Arpaio pardon paperwork is finished and talking points have been distributed to surrogates, so its just a matter of when Trump signs it.

I'm not sure that a president has ever pardoned someone for criminal contempt of court, for knowingly and intentionally violating a federal judge's order just because he disagreed with the politics of it. That's a pretty profound thing to do.
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I knew this thread was going to be one of yours before I even clicked on it....... Sheriff Joe has no F's to give ...... pardon or not.... you're probably just upset and jealous over him making the prisoners pink underwear
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
It's great to see a true patriot pardoned. Someone who truly cares about this country.

The liberals pardoned this traitor and not a word from good old metermaidgator.
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samanderson said:
The rule of law is the last line of defense against apocalyptic consequences. Are you Trump people unable to wrap your heads around that fact?
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Is that the basis for selective compliance? Then obviously most laws just become suggestions that we can choose to obey if we feel like it.

Libs have a strange way of looking at things. States rights won't fly - everything has to be done at the federal level. But if a city decides to do things on it's own - like be a sanctuary for illegal aliens - well, that's just all right. There's a lot of duplicitous thinking in the lib world.
 
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Still waiting on an LG thread where we both share the same level of outrage. The moment Trump pardons some Puerto Rican terrorists, we may come to an agreement...
 
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