Hypothetically, would you take Freeze over Heupel...

#33
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YankeeVol said:
Probably in the minority here, but no.

CJH is a talented offensive coach with no baggage. Many wanted Kiffin back. Heupel beat him twice, and BIG.
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I only hope he beats one of the 3 and doesent try and be buddy buddy with them.
 
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Amazing at the people here willing to cast stones, if you’ve lived long enough you’ve made mistakes, mistakes you sincerely regret and wish you had a “do over”. Unfortunately we can only learn from our mistakes and grow and be better in the future. Just because Hugh was guilty once doesn’t make him guilty twice, in fact the argument could be made he’d be less likely to screw up again because it wouldn’t likely end his career.
 
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Would not take him over Heupel regardless of penalties. Perhaps I would still take Kiffin over him, but not completely sure about that either (I am kind of looking forward now to see what Heupel can do).
 
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Hbg said:
Amazing at the people here willing to cast stones, if you’ve lived long enough you’ve made mistakes, mistakes you sincerely regret and wish you had a “do over”. Unfortunately we can only learn from our mistakes and grow and be better in the future. Just because Hugh was guilty once doesn’t make him guilty twice, in fact the argument could be made he’d be less likely to screw up again because it wouldn’t likely end his career.
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Yes, and those mistakes have consequences. Coaching at such a high level makes those consequences high as well.

Universities' first job is to educate young adults and provide an environment for them to develop strong moral and ethical character. Giving them an underlying idea that egregious flaws will not come with harsh penalties and carry long lasting consequences is a disservice to the students, athletes, faculty, and families.
 
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What Hugh Freeze did to his wife/family is unfortunate. Many folks cheat on their spouses, and I like to sit back and claim I'll never do it (I won't), but I'm also 43, been married almost 20 years, been through some dry spells (4 kids), and I'm a human being... with a penis. I'm not an idiot. Thankfully, a tough situation has never presented itself.

I like to think that Freeze and his family have worked things out, and he won't do it again, and he's learned a heck of a lesson he can pass on to the men (not kids) to which he coaches football, if he feels so inclined.
 
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Hbg said:
Amazing at the people here willing to cast stones, if you’ve lived long enough you’ve made mistakes, mistakes you sincerely regret and wish you had a “do over”. Unfortunately we can only learn from our mistakes and grow and be better in the future. Just because Hugh was guilty once doesn’t make him guilty twice, in fact the argument could be made he’d be less likely to screw up again because it wouldn’t likely end his career.
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Most of us who are willing to "cast stones" in this thread aren't really hard asses or anything. We're probably all in favor of Freeze getting another chance in life.

But not in a job where the EXPLICIT goal is to influence and develop our youth into responsible adults. To be a role model. Not just for the football team, but a representative for the entire university, heck, for the state as its highest-paid employee.

Nah, I wish Hugh well. At a job that's not working with kids making the transition from teenager to adult. Maybe he can get a gig in the NFL.
 
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One more thing - if your kid's moral and ethical character isn't developed by 18, the school probably isn't going to help much, and it's likely the parent's (who else?) fault.
 
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Sub Par SUPERSTAR said:
Even if you were forced to incur the most severe of NCAA penalties (short of the death penalty) as part of the deal?
Heupel comes with zero penalties in this scenario.
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Under that condition, NO. Freeze or someone else will still be out there if all Heupel does is navigate UT through whatever sanctions come down.

Head to head... probably. Freeze appears to be as close to a "proven" HC talent as you are likely to find... warts and all.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You act like he murdered someone. His "moral weakness" is extremely minimal. We should have gone after Freeze and never looked back.
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It isn't minimal. It goes to the core of a person's character and trustworthiness. The dismissive attitude people have toward oaths... is a blight on our society.

That said, I personally think the guy was repentant. He made someone at Liberty believe it was behind him.

But the bigger problem is that he used school resources to facilitate his activities. That's a pretty huge breach of job responsibility.
 
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