Hypocritical, or not?

Do you support the hiring of Hugh Freeze as OC?

  • yes

    Votes: 420 89.2%

  • no

    Votes: 51 10.8%
  • Total voters
    471
  • Poll closed .
#326
#326
UTNoFear said:
Sad you don't even know what that means. Trust me, I went through my brother in law taking his own life and leaving 3 beautiful children and a beautiful wife because life was too tough(This Morning at 2:25). Selling your soul for a game? Sir you have lost all sense that you've ever possessed.
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Why in the heck are you even on here tonight?
 
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#328
The fact you have to ask this question, means yes...just most people are hypocrites and tolerated each other
 
#330
#330
Codaman said:
I didn’t want him cause of Pedophile St. plus he has a track record of being a garbage human being everywhere he goes.
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Couldn’t ageee more. You have to look at the whole picture. Schiano first and foremost is not a good head coach see Rutgers and Tampa Bay and he hasn’t really been rolling at Ahia State. The only people that know what he did or didn’t know about PSU is a pretty small group I’d say. Throw in a passionate fan base starved for something besides total suckage, and the modern trend of taking causes to the streets and the game of college football is changed forever. A fan base can stand up and demand change. Schiano has done more to hurt his career than that whole ordeal did.
 
#331
#331
I feel compelled but not very motivated to present the pro prostitution side here. These laydees are not unwilling participants in horrible sex crimes. They chose their profession under their own free will. They're using their one talent to their advantage to not just provide a service that some people need, but best of all to leave afterwards.
Also it is legal in many places. Some spots in this very country prostitution is well regulated and completely acceptable. Personally I think it's sad that any man just hands his money over to these girls instead of the other way around, but thats another story. To compare Freeze to Schiano is delusional. Freeze enjoyed the company of women and they enjoyed not having to get a real job. Schiano was allegedly looking the other way while Sandusky raped multiple kids which will impact those kids for the rest of their lives. The comparisons not close. And if Freeze is a Christian Reverend Minister Pope whatever then great forgive him.
 
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#332
#332
Well, not to say that what Freeze did was ok or not, but this fantasy about how prostitutes are independent and in control of their fates is garbage in a lot of cases. Many are addicts who were forced into prostitution by their dealers/pumps, others are runaways with no other options that they can see, others are forced into it by abusive boyfriends, etc etc.

No doubt that there are x number who are in it as a business and in control of it, but it’s complete BS to pretend that it’s the norm.

Again, not a comment pro- or anti-Freeze, but this romanticized view is kinda nauseating.
 
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#333
UTNoFear said:
I'll say this and I'm done. It is a blight on UT if they stoop to hiring Freeze. It goes against every fiber in my being and I have sent numerous of 1'000.00's of dollars to the school but I promise you this, if this man is hired, I'll pull for my son's FCS team and no one else. This win at all costs and yes, if the fan base stops a Greg Schiano hire and allows the University to hire this man then I want no part of this fan base. You have sold your souls for wins and for that there is no coming back. Win's matter but what matters more is building men to go out and get jobs, take of their families, and to build strong character in these splendid young men whose parents have entrusted their young men into our care. If your simple minds can't see this then I pray for you.

Freeze runs and UP tempo offense and an RPO, that isn't where we are focused at on recruiting. CJP has a run heavy/pass to keep them honest and looking for a balanced O. Hugh ain't it but you fans want a sexy hire and care not about morals but win at all costs. I'm sorry but wins vs NCAA sanctions don't appeal to me. So claimer all you want and push for this man, but I'm out if he's hired. Win at all costs? You people are pathetic........... Unlike some I look into the mirror when I shave and noway I could look if this man is hired and I would be totally out on CJP..........


As the Bible says, you reap what you sow and UT is asking for problems if this man is hired. Mark It!
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Without sin?
 
#334
#334
JMSqb11 said:
Would love to actually hear from someone who said or voted no.

At the end of the day, only crazy people brought up the Penn State stuff. The majority of the fan base didn’t want Schiano because he’s a horrible coach and that has been proven right by two instances: his demotion to CO-DC and the fact he didn’t get the interim when Urban was out.

I actually question the sanity of the people who post that Schiano covered something up or allowed it to continue as the main reason for not wanting him. I hated the PSU scandal but it’s hard to say heresay testimony in court should be biggest disqualifying factor against him. His coaching record disqualified him enough.


Hiring Freeze would totally be seen as hypocritical but the situations are nothing alike. What someone does in their personal life is no one’s business. The biggest thing I see is that Freeze’s wife is standing by him. If she can forgive him, no one else has any damn right to say anything on the matter. Recruiting at Tennessee is infitiely better than Ole Miss when money isn’t involved.

I’m sure the Wolken’s of the world will be blasting Tennessee but at the end of the day, he is simply anti Tennessee because he lost his direct line into one of the biggest Atheletic Departments in the country.

If Freeze is hired, Phil and Pruitt should be United in saying they believe in forgiveness and second chances but there will be a tight leash. Some of the greatest people in history have had issues or problems and have came back ten fold with a positive impact after getting a second chance. I literally see no downside on hiring Freeze. I see tons of downside of not hiring him.
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Ummm excuse me?

Drives me nuts that I have to bring this up again but here it goes.

I was one of those people but I have a good reason to. I’ll admit I have no personal knowledge of Schiano personally knowing anything about the abuse, however I know enough people involved that I’d be more surprised if he DIDN’T know.

My husband is a Penn State Alum, he is with one of the biggest alumni boards in the state with some of the biggest boosters for the university. I mean I met Jay Paterno so that should tell you the kind of clout this group has.

I’ve had many off the record conversations with these people about the scandal. And I can say with some authority that more people in that program knew than what has ever been made public. It was a badly kept secret that only didn’t come out because of the cultish nature of the program and Joe Paterno’s own vice like grip on the staff and the media.

It was such common knowledge that the players would joke about if saying “don’t drop the soap in the shower with Sandusky around” no need to remind anyone what Sandusky was caught doing multiple times in those showers.

It’s such common knowledge that Schiano’s players know about it but not him? Please,

Another thing is that yes, there isn’t any proof publicly that proves him guilty. Unfortunately we live in a post Me Too world where public perception is now guilty until proven innocent. You don’t think other schools would have pulled out that deposition, highlights Schiano’s name, handed it to the parents and asked them if they wanted to risk their child on the chance he might not have known anything? Sure it’s likely some kids would be convinced by Schiano but how many wouldn’t? We would literally have to defend him every day. It’s not like he’s an assistant, he would have been the face of our program! It would have killed us in recruiting.

Finally I’ll leave this here, wasn’t my post but another volnation member posted this twice and I keep it to remind everyone this was not something that just came from nowhere. It wasn’t just three or four people who knew. It was anyone involved with that program heard something...
 

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#336
#336
Electric Orange said:
I feel compelled but not very motivated to present the pro prostitution side here. These laydees are not unwilling participants in horrible sex crimes. They chose their profession under their own free will. They're using their one talent to their advantage to not just provide a service that some people need, but best of all to leave afterwards.
Also it is legal in many places. Some spots in this very country prostitution is well regulated and completely acceptable. Personally I think it's sad that any man just hands his money over to these girls instead of the other way around, but thats another story. To compare Freeze to Schiano is delusional. Freeze enjoyed the company of women and they enjoyed not having to get a real job. Schiano was allegedly looking the other way while Sandusky raped multiple kids which will impact those kids for the rest of their lives. The comparisons not close. And if Freeze is a Christian Reverend Minister Pope whatever then great forgive him.
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You are the very thing that’s wrong with the world.

Signed,
Antifreeze
 
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#343
Could anyone fathom the conversations about Tennessee if we had hired Schiano and he went out and got Freeze? We'd never recover from that.
 
#347
#347
hog88 said:
Someone is a tad self righteous and judgmental.

Whore is such a nasty word, you realize all women sell it in one way or another don’t you?
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You enjoy shaking a Hornet's nest, don't you?
 
#350
#350
Behr said:
Yea, I ain't gonna lie, one reason I really hope we hire him is just that.
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Bama wanted him last year. Bama stays ahead because they makes moves like this all the time in former coaches. They have an edge in little things they do. And if freeze is on the market after Bamas season mark my words they will hire him and all the others will be wishing they had.
 
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