Hypocritical, or not?

Do you support the hiring of Hugh Freeze as OC?

  • yes

    Votes: 420 89.2%

  • no

    Votes: 51 10.8%
  • Total voters
    471
  • Poll closed .
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JCHateSteve said:
Unsurprising given where we are. I'm curious how different the numbers would be if we won 6 or 7 and were getting ready for a bowl game right now.
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I don't think it changes. Because Helton likely still takes the WKU job. However, if Helton leaves before bowl game, Friend likely takes over. We win and Friend gets promoted which would be a travesty in itself. If we went bowling in Pruitt's first year and had to hire a new OC, I don't think anyone has a problem with Freeze to take over.
 
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SobeVol said:
Not meaning to be political, but this points out further the hypocrisy.

Bill Clinton had sex with a woman he had employment power over( thus sexual misconduct/harassment) an affair, lies repeatedly about it during his investigation, also he was widely rumored to have had highway patrolmen arranging prostitutes for him as governor of Arkansas, and yet people were willing to vote for his spouse and put him back in the whitehouse.
Is that not hypocritical?
I know she is not he, but the argument at least should be made and discussed.


Mods please delete if considered too political- just trying to draw some parallels for comparison and example
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It's a good example because it points to how people's willingness to forgive is often directly related to whether they like someone.
 
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GAVol said:
It's a good example because it points to how people's willingness to forgive is often directly related to whether they like someone.
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I also say that in the case of picking a presidential candidate, it is the lesser of two evils. That's not the case in the OC or HC hires as there are multiple legit candidates but I get the point.
 
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zydane47 said:
Let's be honest, one was a coach who in all facets sucked at the college and pro level. This is the same guy who treated his players like crap to the point that a lot of them didn't wanted to play for him any more. Violated NFL rules after allegedly outing one of his players being in the drug program, and ordered his players to dive at QBs knees during a kneel down. The dude is a prick all around.

The other as far as we know, had players who played hard for him all the time and actually liked being around him, and has been a success where ever he's been.

I didn't want Schiano because he wouldn't have fit in here, he would've made everything worse by his attitude and his ability to coach.

While Freeze might have paid for hookers, that's at least, I won't say normal adult thing, but it's more accepted than what allegedly happened at PSU. There is no hypocrisy with this. In fact the media should be happy that we would give a guy a second chance, they won't though, we'll get raked over the coals for it, we'll be talked down to at every turn, but at the end of the day Freeze, just on coaching ability alone is a better hire than Schiano could've ever been.
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/entire discussion

It's amazing that the school giving him a second chance will be ridiculed for giving him that chance vs. ridiculing the man that actually created the incident.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I don't think it changes. Because Helton likely still takes the WKU job. However, if Helton leaves before bowl game, Friend likely takes over. We win and Friend gets promoted which would be a travesty in itself. If we went bowling in Pruitt's first year and had to hire a new OC, I don't think anyone has a problem with Freeze to take over.
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I think it would still be majority positive, but less one sided. If we were waiting on a bowl I think more folks would be calling for an OC who focuses on the power run believing we are headed in the right direction on O.
 
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Never seen it reported that he hired prostitutes for players. I have only seen that said on this board. Unless someone has inside information that indicates otherwise, I think the ho's were for him.
 
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volfannbama said:
Schiano Sunday took place because if his ties to Penn St. It had nothing to do with his coaching abilities. Now, there may have been people that didnt want him because of that, but that was not the cause of what took place. I cant believe thats even being debated.

Has far as freeze, I dont care if we hire him or not because of what he did. He would be a great hire. But there is a zero percent chance of that happening.

The "allegedly" stuff, it's scary times in our country when an accusation means assumed guilt. A lady accused a lacrosse team of raping her. Women claimed a supreme court nominee sexually assualted them. All are now proven false. Your choice of what you want ti decide your criteria for a coach should be.
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It isn't. Everyone that says that they didn't want him because he was a crappy coach will freely admit that he wasn't hired here because of the Penn St. issue. Do not confuse why he wasn't wanted with why he wan't hired in a broad "everyone" statement. I personally think what went on at PSU was an issue with one individual and wound up encompassing people that were most likely told to mind their own business that it was being taken care of. Schiano left PSU in 1995 and would have had very little to do with what happened later in 1997 to get Sandusky fired and nothing to do with what ultimately killed Joe Paterno. Yes, I said killed because that is what I believe.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
That is BS. Schiano Sunday took place because of the W/L record and the fact that our fanbase viewed it as another cheap and bad hire. The PSU stuff was just cover (With that being said, Schiano, Wolken, and UTAD did themselves a huge dis-service by not getting out in front of the PSU allegations).

If we had pried Urban Meyer away from OSU, it would have been celebrated heavily on here and Urban is an awful human being....
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disagree. you can agree he sucked as a coach but Schiano Sunday took place because of his association with PSU. Had this wedge not existed, we would be stuck with him and Currie as an AD right now. We would have simply sat back and said "well damn, Tennessee gonna Tennessee" and pressed on.

We knew Urban was an ass but I hadn't heard anything about the domestic violence cover up until this summer. Where you got that he was an awful human being prior to that I don't know.
 
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I think hypocrites are probably right about either what they say or what they do. All this blathering the last 30 or 40 years about hypocrisy, as if it was important, is really just a smokescreen for narcissists to be sure that they feel justified in having self as God. If a hypocrite warns you about what YOU are doing, well, you've been warned. What they do is their problem.

I think an honest person would say Schiano is bad at football and Freeze is better. if you want to become a hypocrite, you're going to have to lie about something other than that. At the time, there were lots of people acting as if it was "really important" if the stated reasons that UT fans didn't want Schiano were dishonest. As if that mattered somehow. It doesn't.
 
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jimed1 said:
Never seen it reported that he hired prostitutes for players. I have only seen that said on this board. Unless someone has inside information that indicates otherwise, I think the ho's were for him.
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Must have been some damn big ass prostitutes........just sayin.
 
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volfannbama said:
Posted several pic of the protest, funny none of the signs mentioned is win loss record or coaching abilities. Im.sure there were tons.


Remember when the guy at nc state entered the discussion and some.fans asked if we could protest.it and the common sentiment was no will look silly and turn off coach because the schiano protest wasnt about.coaching ability.
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The 1st poster mentions his W/L record.
 
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Schiano's potential situation was overplayed because he was not a good hire. Key word here being potential.

Freeze's situation is being underplayed for the opposite reasons.

That said immoral acts between consenting adults is not in the same stratosphere as child rape.
 
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One way or another all men pay for sex whether it be buying a female a drink, dinner, movie date, vacation, jewelry etc... Freeze just skipped the formalities. As far as mistakes go, I find it a lot easier to forgive a guy who used his own money to pay for sex with a consenting adult than I do a man that knew about child rape and said nothing.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
It isn't. Everyone that says that they didn't want him because he was a crappy coach will freely admit that he wasn't hired here because of the Penn St. issue. Do not confuse why he wasn't wanted with why he wan't hired in a broad "everyone" statement. I personally think what went on at PSU was an issue with one individual and wound up encompassing people that were most likely told to mind their own business that it was being taken care of. Schiano left PSU in 1995 and would have had very little to do with what happened later in 1997 to get Sandusky fired and nothing to do with what ultimately killed Joe Paterno. Yes, I said killed because that is what I believe.
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jimed1 said:
Never seen it reported that he hired prostitutes for players. I have only seen that said on this board. Unless someone has inside information that indicates otherwise, I think the ho's were for him.
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It was investigated and determined that the paid affection was for him only.
 
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GAVol said:
Really don't think the Schiano revolt was as much about Penn State as it was that people just thought he was a weak choice. THEN they latched onto the Penn State stuff to reinforce why he was a bad choice.
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This is probably true to a large extent, but at the same time given all the negativity surrounding how Butch Jones handled things, punching Crowder stuff, etc...the baggage just wasn't worth it whether true or not. I think there was a legitimate perception concern by a portion of the fanbase.

What makes the Freeze baggage different is Pruitt has been doing things right for the last year with no scandals and Freeze actually had to pay a penance for what he did. Add in the fact that the two scandals (child rape and prostitution) aren't even the same stratosphere as far as criminal acts are concerned and fans are willing accept it, for the most part.

All that, plus, one is a better coach than the other.
 
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