Hypocritical, or not?

[hog88]

Probably???
We must be married if you cant just acknowledge my rightness without a modifier.

XOXOXO

 

[volfannbama]

You must have been asleep at the time.

Yeah take a look at all those pictures I posted of all.those signs citing his coaching abilities..they were numerous

 

[McDad]

XOXOXO

 

[mikepotts]

The protests were because we have a delusional fan base that thought we were going to land a HUGE name, a proven winner only to have GS dropped on us. It looked like he was the one and only candidate and we were settling again.

this is exactly why i protested.

 

[TheDeeble]

Really don't think the Schiano revolt was as much about Penn State as it was that people just thought he was a weak choice. THEN they latched onto the Penn State stuff to reinforce why he was a bad choice.

I think it was both. I don't think many people knew Schiano was mentioned in the Penn St stuff.

But I do remember the article being posted at the time was headlined along the lines of "Schiano knew about Sandusky and did nothing".

That was many Vol fans first knowledge of Schiano's involvement, which really looked like nothing when actually reading what was said.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

How so what? Just thought it was interesting. It.stuck out amoung all those posters complaining about Schinaos win loss record. You saw them? Yeah, me neither.

I commented on the sub .500 W/L, the Tampa stuff, the fact OSU gave up 55 to Iowa, the "OSU vetting" process, the cheap hire narrative, etc. And yes, I linked/referenced the Washington Post articles detailing the PSU deposition referencing a potential Sandusky tie...

I was a big Mullen guy and that was a big reason for my anti-Schiano viewpoints....

 

[hog88]

Yeah take a look at all those pictures I posted of all.those signs citing his coaching abilities..they were numerous

As I said earlier, the Penn State stuff was an excuse. The original outrage was simply due to the fact Currie was settling and Schiano wasn't/isn't the caliber coach we deserve.

 

[McDad]

this is exactly why i protested.

In real life or on VN?

 

[GhostVol]

I can only speak for myself, but to answer your questions........

If we had hired James Franklin, would have there been protests since he covered up a rape or would have Franklin's W/L record been enough to overcome that?

Yep.....

If we had hired Brian Kelly, would have there been protests since a kid died under his watch or was his W/L record good enough to overcome that?

Yep, again........

Now, would anyone have paid any attention to li'l ol' me squawking about those things?

Nope........

 

[mikepotts]

In real life or on VN?

in general... i did voice my concerns on VN, i dont have time to physically go somewhere and protest.

 

[butchna]

Posted several pic of the protest, funny none of the signs mentioned is win loss record or coaching abilities. Im.sure there were tons.


Remember when the guy at nc state entered the discussion and some.fans asked if we could protest.it and the common sentiment was no will look silly and turn off coach because the schiano protest wasnt about.coaching ability.

They still had a mini riot at the basketball game. Wasn’t shocking when Doreen passed.

 

[preacherwebb]

I voted hire the man ... not hypocritcal in my opinion because the Freeze/Schiano comparison is apples and oranges.

Another thing to consider, to me at least, is Freeze has apologized and served his time.

Schiano? I don't remember anything but denial of any wrong doing and defending himself. (If I'm wrong, I'll gladly stand corrected).
And of course he did, because there is a BIG difference in what they were accused of, and the trouble they could've gotten in as a result.

Just my two cents.

 

[butchna]

Are you comparing Rutgers and Tennessee? A great job at Rutgers doesn't mean good at a school like Tennessee. He never won any conference titles at Rutgers. He had 1-2 great years. Getting to a bowl game at Rutgers is a good year. That isn't the standard for Tennessee. Also, for being such a great job, why was he never getting any other big jobs? Why did he have to jump to the NFL because he was a great college coach? Why did he only last 2 years in the NFL because of character issues and management issues?

He didn’t “have” to jump to the NFL. He did so because his stock was hot. I remember his name being the top choice for the Hurricanes opening. His act fizzled at the pro level but there’s this dude in Tuscaloosa?

 

[preacherwebb]

Another thing I'll add, when Ohio State needed to name an interim coach, and they had on their staff a former FBS and NFL head coach, and instead chose to name a coordinator with no HC experience (to my knowledge) because they didn't need the baggage that came with the experienced HC, it totally validated that UT did the right thing in not hiring Schiano based on the PSU scandal.

And, as many have already stated, he's not a good HC at all. Did okay at Rutgers, but that's it.
He's done an arguably good job as DC at Ohio State, but HC? Not really.

 

[JMSqb11]

He didn’t “have” to jump to the NFL. He did so because his stock was hot. I remember his name being the top choice for the Hurricanes opening. His act fizzled at the pro level but there’s this dude in Tuscaloosa?

I assume "this dude" is Pruitt? Thats who you are referring?

I would argue his DC experience alone speaks volumes compared to Schiano at Rutgers. Pruitt was literally able to go to 3 schools in a matter of 5 seasons and put out results and recruiting non stop. The argument of FSU, UGA, and Bama "recruiting themselves regardless of coaches" are stupid. Pruitt built a legit defensive staff that recruits lights out. Obviously offensive side of the staff is his one weak spot. I think that's why he hired Friend so quickly because of their past. I also think there were a few decisions or lack there of this year in games on offense that maybe blew a win or two.

I think Schiano has management issues and coaching issues that wouldn't work well for the type of rebuild at Tennessee. Yes he built Rutgers, but building that program compared to rebuilding Tennessee are completely different things. Rutgers has zero expectations. Tennessee does.

 

[JMSqb11]

Another thing I'll add, when Ohio State needed to name an interim coach, and they had on their staff a former FBS and NFL head coach, and instead chose to name a coordinator with no HC experience (to my knowledge) because they didn't need the baggage that came with the experienced HC, it totally validated that UT did the right thing in not hiring Schiano based on the PSU scandal.

And, as many have already stated, he's not a good HC at all. Did okay at Rutgers, but that's it.
He's done an arguably good job as DC at Ohio State, but HC? Not really.

He also got demoted at Ohio State last offseason after UT didn't work out. Everyone forgets this.

 

[butchna]

I assume "this dude" is Pruitt? Thats who you are referring?

I would argue his DC experience alone speaks volumes compared to Schiano at Rutgers. Pruitt was literally able to go to 3 schools in a matter of 5 seasons and put out results and recruiting non stop. The argument of FSU, UGA, and Bama "recruiting themselves regardless of coaches" are stupid. Pruitt built a legit defensive staff that recruits lights out. Obviously offensive side of the staff is his one weak spot. I think that's why he hired Friend so quickly because of their past. I also think there were a few decisions or lack there of this year in games on offense that maybe blew a win or two.

I think Schiano has management issues and coaching issues that wouldn't work well for the type of rebuild at Tennessee. Yes he built Rutgers, but building that program compared to rebuilding Tennessee are completely different things. Rutgers has zero expectations. Tennessee does.

I was talking about the OTHER guy down in Bama who got a HC gig in the NFL and didn’t knock it out of the park. Plenty of examples of college HC’s not making the translation throughout history. Lou Holtz with the Jets...all’s to say that I wouldn’t use his NFL failure as the crux of an argument against hiring him in college. Your other points were perfectly valid.

 

[newyorkvol]

I think it’s the difference between and bad coach with a moral failing to be hired as the Head Coach, and a good coach with a moral failing to be hired as a coordinator. It’s an apples to oranges comparison, not hypocrisy.

 

[hog88]

I was talking about the OTHER guy down in Bama who got a HC gig in the NFL and didn’t knock it out of the park. Plenty of examples of college HC’s not making the translation throughout history. Lou Holtz with the Jets...all’s to say that I wouldn’t use his NFL failure as the crux of an argument against hiring him in college. Your other points were perfectly valid.

They speak a different language in the NFL.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Some will see it as hypocritical. It depends on where you draw the line and if you believe Freeze has taken his lumps and is truly remorseful. We would take some heat from the media for sure. But that's nothing new. I'd be fine with it. I can also understand why some won't be. Fans are always going to more forgiving of a proven winner. That's not unique to this fan base.

 

[McDad]

Some will see it as hypocritical. It depends on where you draw the line and if you believe Freeze has taken his lumps and is truly remorseful. We would take some heat from the media for sure. But that's nothing new. I'd be fine with it. I can also understand why some won't be. Fans are always going to more forgiving of a proven winner. That's not unique to this fan base.

94% according to the poll.

 

[JMSqb11]

I was talking about the OTHER guy down in Bama who got a HC gig in the NFL and didn’t knock it out of the park. Plenty of examples of college HC’s not making the translation throughout history. Lou Holtz with the Jets...all’s to say that I wouldn’t use his NFL failure as the crux of an argument against hiring him in college. Your other points were perfectly valid.

Normally I would agree. However the one thing from the NFL you can't just throw to the wayside is what you would call his Locker Room. There were major locker room issues there and management issues at Tampa Bay. Can't ignore that.

 

[Pride85]

Really don't think the Schiano revolt was as much about Penn State as it was that people just thought he was a weak choice. THEN they latched onto the Penn State stuff to reinforce why he was a bad choice.

Most of the pedophile argument was actually started and fueled by Clay Travis to try and make himself seem like a real reporter. His fear-mongering was a simple classless clickbait ploy.

 

[SobeVol]

Not meaning to be political, but this points out further the hypocrisy.

Bill Clinton had sex with a woman he had employment power over( thus sexual misconduct/harassment) an affair, lies repeatedly about it during his investigation, also he was widely rumored to have had highway patrolmen arranging prostitutes for him as governor of Arkansas, and yet people were willing to vote for his spouse and put him back in the whitehouse.
Is that not hypocritical?
I know she is not he, but the argument at least should be made and discussed.


Mods please delete if considered too political- just trying to draw some parallels for comparison and example

 

[JCHateSteve]

94% according to the poll.

Unsurprising given where we are. I'm curious how different the numbers would be if we won 6 or 7 and were getting ready for a bowl game right now.