Hyams reports UT interviewed Leach yesterday in Dallas

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Orange_Crush said:
Now, that's just funny. I don't care who you are...
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maybe, but it's still a fair point, that offense hasn't done anythe more than i said it has over time. it's not unreasonable to think that it won't do any more than that in the future either.

whearas trying to figure out how that offense would work with better players, that it's apparenlty never had until this year supposedly, would do in the future?

yeah, i guess that is funny.
 
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jakez4ut said:
maybe, but it's still a fair point, that offense hasn't done anythe more than i said it has over time. it's not unreasonable to think that it won't do any more than that in the future either.

whearas trying to figure out how that offense would work with better players, that it's apparenlty never had until this year supposedly, would do in the future?

yeah, i guess that is funny.
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By extrapolating what that offense would do or not do in the SEC over time is, in actuality, extrapolating what it would do with players other than the ones that have been running it.

Which would, in fact, fill the definition that you posed for... "mindless speculation", was it?
 
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oklavol said:
I havent read this entire thread, but a couple of things don't add up.

Doesnt the University of Tenn normally ask for permission (of the University) to interview a candidate for a head coaching position? That usually is announced in a press release and are granted after the season ends.

Yes, an AD must seek and receive permission from the AD before speaking with anyone currently under contract with another university - but Neinas Sports would not be bound by such an obligation, as I understand it. This is one of the attractions of using such a service, amongst others.

I don't see how this is plausible. I think he wants to focus on next week's games and trying to get a possible BCS at large bid. They have a lot to play for still. Last, whatever UT offers, Texas Tech is going to counter offer and match. They have the same resources UT has. He's not a realistic candidate IMO.
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Sure, I think that he cares about a BCS at-large bid....if he is set to remain at Tech. If not, and he thinks he's moving on, he'll likely have no qualms with doing so before any non-NC game, including one in the BCS mix.

I certainly don't know the finances of the respective universities, nor of their overall willingness to pay a coach to stay / leave. With that being said, I cannot imagine a scenario in which Tech could come close to matching UT's ability to pay Leach. In fact, as that figure goes upward, a weird dynamic can take hold as well - where Tech begins to feel like they are paying a coach in order to get him to stay, when he likely wants to move on. The higher that the magic dollar amount goes up, the more they can begin to feel that he wants to move on. Simply, the ceiling of money that Tech has, and is willing to pay, would each be considerably lower than those two elements on the Tennessee side of things. Conversely, the more Tennessee pays him, the "bigger" the hire or the "splash" it makes, which should be ultimately inconsequential, but what you'll hear a lot of in the first few days after the new HC is announced. For many around the U.S. and even in Knoxville, the amount of money which Tennessee has to pay for its next HC will be directly and positively correlated to how earnest they believe that we are to turn this thing around.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
By extrapolating what that offense would do or not do in the SEC over time is, in actuality, extrapolating what it would do with players other than the ones that have been running it.

Which would, in fact, fill the definition that you posed for... "mindless speculation", was it?
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that is certainly one way of looking at it.

the only thing i will offer is that i have results to go back and look at, as to what it's accomplished over time.

it's never done more than what i stated, with all the players that have run it (good, bad or mediocre).

i can't, however, go back and say "well what if these players ran it this year or that year" and come up with what i think it will do in the future......
 
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a point to ponder...
When Mumme was ousted from Ky...think they (ky) had the opportunity to hire Leach or Franklin as head coach to continue the high flying offense they had since they both were OC there at one time ? Sounds as maybe it got old and they went in another direction. How long would it take to get old here ? It's rummored that until recently Leach put all the best players on offense.
A high powered offense can be exciting but a hard hitting defense stirs my blood more than anything.
 
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clockwerk_orange said:
a point to ponder...
When Mumme was ousted from Ky...think they (ky) had the opertunity to hire Leach or Franklin as head coach to continue the high flying offense they had since they both were OC there at one time ? Sounds as maybe it got old and they went in another direction. How long would it take to get old here ? It's rummored that until recently Leach put all the best players on offense.
A high powered offense can be exciting but a hard hitting defense stirs my blood more than anything.
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you can't blame UK for wanting to get the taste of Mumme out of their mouth
 
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clockwerk_orange said:
a point to ponder...
When Mumme was ousted from Ky...think they (ky) had the opertunity to hire Leach or Franklin as head coach to continue the high flying offense they had since they both were OC there at one time ? Sounds as maybe it got old and they went in another direction. How long would it take to get old here ? It's rummored that until recently Leach put all the best players on offense.
A high powered offense can be exciting but a hard hitting defense stirs my blood more than anything.
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What does that mean?
 
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clockwerk_orange said:
a point to ponder...
When Mumme was ousted from Ky...think they (ky) had the opportunity to hire Leach or Franklin as head coach to continue the high flying offense they had since they both were OC there at one time ? Sounds as maybe it got old and they went in another direction. How long would it take to get old here ? It's rummored that until recently Leach put all the best players on offense.
A high powered offense can be exciting but a hard hitting defense stirs my blood more than anything.
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...that float your boat ?
 
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leach wouldnt make it in the sec just look how bad they got beat saturday and if he comes to tennessee ut would be lucky to win one game ,so i tell you one thing just say no to leach
 
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jakez4ut said:
maybe, but it's still a fair point, that offense hasn't done anythe more than i said it has over time. it's not unreasonable to think that it won't do any more than that in the future either.

whearas trying to figure out how that offense would work with better players, that it's apparenlty never had until this year supposedly, would do in the future?

yeah, i guess that is funny.
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That's cool by me.

I was just more or less making the point that everyone involved is/was making the same type of baseless predictions about Leech and his system.

I'll add my opinion to keep it fair. :)

I think the offense more or less worked in the SEC, but the defense didn't. Leech really can't be blamed for that.

More to the point, I'm not a fan of having Leech at UT. I was OK with the idea until this weekend. And it wasn't the beat-down that sank his boat for me, it was the fact that in post-game he sounded as if he couldn't string more than a few coherent words together at a time.

He may be an offensive genius (I don't know), but I think the "idiot savant" (not calling him an actual idiot) schtick would wear thin real quickly.

That's my opinion on the subject.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's cool by me.

I was just more or less making the point that everyone involved is/was making the same type of baseless predictions about Leech and his system.

I'll add my opinion to keep it fair. :)

I think the offense more or less worked in the SEC, but the defense didn't. Leech really can't be blamed for that.

More to the point, I'm not a fan of having Leech at UT. I was OK with the idea until this weekend. And it wasn't the beat-down that sank his boat for me, it was the fact that in post-game he sounded as if he couldn't string more than a few coherent words together at a time.

He may be an offensive genius (I don't know), but I think the "idiot savant" (not calling him an actual idiot) schtick would wear thin real quickly.

That's my opinion on the subject.
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actually, that's been my stance on Leach from the get go. just don't see him being a long term solution.
 
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I am beginning to sense a sort of reverse intellectual elitism whereby anyone who is not an ignorant redneck just doesn't have the bone fides to be hfc at UTK.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I am beginning to sense a sort of reverse intellectual elitism whereby anyone who is not an ignorant redneck just doesn't have the bone fides to be hfc at UTK.
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not so, but you have to admit that the new coach will need to relate to the donor base. Im not sure that Leach could do that.
 
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