How would former coaches do with

[BeecherVol]

As evidenced by all the big time coaching offers he received after being unfairly fired

By evidence of the trophy case he made additions to.

I agreed with him being fired. That doesn't change the facts. I'm not sure why some feel that needs to be brought up.

 

[BeecherVol]

Are your basing your prediction on Fulmer's 2 worst years? You know he coached for 15 years and averaged almost 9 wins a season. Fulmer only had 2 years with less than 8 wins. All you young guys who think Fulmer was terrible are killing me ilot:

Fulmer had his issues late and got rung up for em.

He also had a lot of success that UT hasn't approached since then.

 

[vtvol98]

Fulmer w Cutcliffe as OC: 11-1
Kiffin w Wilcox as DC: 11-1
Dooley regardless of his coaching staff: 2-10

 

[IknoxvolsI]

With either Sanders or Cut, I just don't see Fulmer getting to 7 wins with this team against the schedule.

However, if he was coaching it now, I would not be suprised beginning to hear the excuses now.

Dooley,regardless of who the coordinators are, four wins.

Kiffin, with this team, he'd pull a rabbit or two out of a hat. I believe under him we'd be in good shape at QB.

 

[General Jack]

Pre-2002 Fulmer - 8 wins
Post-2001 Fulmer - 7 wins

Fulmer's MO was out-talenting other teams... this team will out-talent all but 4.

Kiffin - 8 wins
Dooley - 6 wins

Butch - 7 wins

 

[General Jack]

Fulmer w Cutcliffe as OC: 11-1
Kiffin w Wilcox as DC: 11-1
Dooley regardless of his coaching staff: 2-10

When did Fulmer face 4 teams in a season that could out-talent him?

Dooley's 2010 roster was one of the worst in the modern era of Tennessee football and he managed 6 wins. I'm no Dooley supporter but you're a little over the top.

 

[orangemadam]

Dooley- 7
Fulmer- 9
Kiffen - 10
CBJ - 10

We gots a loaded roster boyz!! You have no idea!!

 

[goldvol]

Dooley- 7
Fulmer- 9
Kiffen - 10
CBJ - 10

We gots a loaded roster boyz!! You have no idea!!

From this thread, I guess "Kiffen" is the same as blue font ilot:
So much Kiffin love, it's hard to take people seriously

 

[IknoxvolsI]

Kiffin did more with less. Dooly did less with less or less with decent at best. At the end, Fulmer did less with more. Jones, well he really hasn't done much except draw a pay check.

 

[jakez4ut]

who cares. Fulmer's fall started when the rest of the league added better coaching. in today's climate, he may have fared better than he did in the early/mid part of the 2000's, given who the coaches are today, save Saban.

Kiffin....eh. really, who cares. he wouldn't be here to see how it turned out anyway.

Dooley.....maybe we'd have the shower situation worked out by now.

Jones....7 or 8 wins until proven otherwise.

 

[VOLnMiami]

Ehh

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Butch is gonna surprise some folks, get us to 8 or 9 wins this year. If we're extremely lucky, maybe even more.

Fulmer at his best could get 10 or more out of this squad, even with a mostly untested offensive backfield and a rebuilding defense.

Kiffin would've made a lot of noise, much of it discordant, and ended up 7-5.

Dooley, I just don't even wanna think about it. He'd have the players and assistant coaches mutinying by the end of the year; who knows how that would play out in the W/L columns.

 

[Behr]

The better questions are, what record would Phil have this year if Kiffin had coached last year instead of Butch? And what record would Kiffin have if Johnny Majors had coached the years Phil did and Phil had inherited the bunch Dooley left instead of Butch?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The better questions are, what record would Phil have this year if Kiffin had coached last year instead of Butch? And what record would Kiffin have if Johnny Majors had coached the years Phil did and Phil had inherited the bunch Dooley left instead of Butch?

You sometimes make my head hurt, Behr.

 

[114VOL]

You think present day kiffin is better than Fulmer at his best?? You must be about 23 years old, because that is laughable. Please, take time to compare resumes. One of Fulmer's last year, he took 2 freshman quarterbacks to an SEC championship. Kiffin had a cupboard of talent at USC and bombed out miserably.

Then the following season with everyone back and depth including the kitchen sink, and a #3 preseason ranking, he promptly went 5-6. Still, would rather have him than Kiffin

 

[114VOL]

Fulmer had his issues late and got rung up for em.

He also had a lot of success that UT hasn't approached since then.

Both statements true, but you have to add that he didn't step into the job with the cupboard bare as Butch did and Majors did. When Fulmer got the HC job, the roster was LOADED with NFL talent at every position

 

[Behr]

You sometimes make my head hurt, Behr.

Thanks JP.

 

[Iam4utalways]

The better questions are, what record would Phil have this year if Kiffin had coached last year instead of Butch? And what record would Kiffin have if Johnny Majors had coached the years Phil did and Phil had inherited the bunch Dooley left instead of Butch?

I don't think we win a single NC and no SEC Championships either.

 

[114VOL]

When did Fulmer face 4 teams in a season that could out-talent him?

Dooley's 2010 roster was one of the worst in the modern era of Tennessee football and he managed 6 wins. I'm no Dooley supporter but you're a little over the top.

for a number of years during the Fulmer tenure, there weren't any teams on the schedule who could out talent the Vols

 

[BeecherVol]

Both statements true, but you have to add that he didn't step into the job with the cupboard bare as Butch did and Majors did. When Fulmer got the HC job, the roster was LOADED with NFL talent at every position

That's true, and not being debated either. There are other things to consider as well. One being the east has had an overhaul in coaches since Jones got here with one retread, with the main players still not sure if they got it right.

 

[BeecherVol]

for a number of years during the Fulmer tenure, there weren't any teams on the schedule who could out talent the Vols

He recruited well. Is this news?

 

[IknoxvolsI]

I don't think we win a single NC and no SEC Championships either.

I don't know if Majors would have ever won a NC had he remained. He said before the '98 season, maybe '95 or '96 that he would have. But, however, if Spurrior couldn't get past that Nebraska meat grinder in '96 I don't think anyone could have.

Having said that, a number of other coaches would have had us playing for more than one NC during that time.

Now, back to the point, I just don't see Butch notching more than seven wins this year. With a lot of Fulmers luck, he just may get eight including a bowl win.

 

[TNnative]

How do you, other VN'ers, think our former head coaches, dating back to Fulmer, would do with this exact same team this upcoming season?

Fulmer- Six wins
Kiffin- Seven wins
Dooley- Four, maybe five wins

You can take all 3 of them and stuff them where the sun don't shine. Shoney's, Sanctions, and Shower discipline/War Stories. Past is the past, leave it there. None of the three would have recruited this lineup.

 

[BeecherVol]

None of the three would have recruited this lineup.

The one many think is a 7 or 8 win team?

 

[Iam4utalways]

I don't know if Majors would have ever won a NC had he remained. He said before the '98 season, maybe '95 or '96 that he would have. But, however, if Spurrior couldn't get past that Nebraska meat grinder in '96 I don't think anyone could have.

Having said that, a number of other coaches would have had us playing for more than one NC during that time.

Now, back to the point, I just don't see Butch notching more than seven wins this year. With a lot of Fulmers luck, he just may get eight including a bowl win.

I feel good about 8, it's the other 4 that will decide his fate.